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A quick question about Norn color blend   
Growler

Growler
South Africa  


  7/19/2022

When I breed different Norn species together I get a mix of different body parts but their colors don't blend. When I breed Golden desert Norns or Frog Norns I get blended colors. Does anyone know why that is and if it is possible for other Norn species to get blended colors?
 
ylukyun
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ylukyun

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  7/20/2022

Norn body parts don't really "blend". They're basically just static image files that get smooshed together and can sometimes have a color overlay. You really need to pick breeds (species) that have similar colors and breed them together. For example, you could try breeding Golden Desert Norns with Pixie Norns, or Emerald Norns with Frog Norns.
 
Growler

Growler
South Africa  


  7/20/2022

Will breeding Pixie Norns with Hebe Norns work then?
 
Issy

Issy

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  7/20/2022

Yes, if you are trying to breed norns with similar color palettes, Pixie and Hebe norns would work. Their colors will never actually "blend" as tends to happen with real life genetics (as ylukyun has noted), so that is your best option. Frog norns and Golden Desert norns have some similar colors depending on the gender of each norn, so that may be why you get the impression that the colors are blending. They are not. You are just getting norns with something along the lines of a Golden Desert norn head, body, and tail, with Frog norn arms and legs. It could also be the case that you got a norn with some pigment gene mutations that have slightly altered their colors. Not blended per se, but they will be different from the usual appearance of the generation 1 breed(s). This is the 'color overlay' that ylukyun mentioned.

If you are hoping to get different colors from breeding norns, pigment mutations and the like tend to show up in later generations, depending on what breeds you are using. These "pigment" genes essentially alter the hues of the norns' images. Its kinda like applying color swap filters to the existing images. For example, if a norn breed is originally bright green, like the Spike Norns, you can eventually acquire pigment mutations that may leave you with a purple Spike norn, such as Vincent here. [nsmile]

This would be a way for you to get new colors. Keep in mind that the pigment gene changes alter the entire image of the norn. This is why Vincent does not just have a purple head and green everything else, for example. If he used different norn breed sprites for some of his body parts, he may not be entirely purple. I'm not the expert on pigment genes, but I think that works as a basic explanation. I hope that this helps a bit. I, or someone else, can try to elaborate more if need be. [ngrin]


~Issy [ngeek]
 
Growler

Growler
South Africa  


  7/21/2022

I know about pigment mutations and how they normally show up many generations later but what I want to know is why when I crossbreed any Norn with a frog Norn or a Golden Desert Norn do I get pigment mutations immediately. I also crossbred a Frog Norn and an Ettin and I got a couple greenish Nettins(Norn/Ettin hybrid) which is weird because I have crossbred Hebe Norns and Ettins many times and none of hybrids colors were altered. I never get immediate pigment mutations when I crossbreed Hebe Norns, Pixie Norns, Emerald Norns, Ettins or Grendels.
 
Allekha

Allekha
United States  

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  7/21/2022  1

Frog Norns, in addition to having greenish sprites, also have a genetic greenish tint. So what you're seeing isn't new color mutations, but the genetically altered Frog Norn colors coming through.
 
Growler

Growler
South Africa  


  7/21/2022

That would explain the Frog Norns but not The Golden Desert Norns.
 
Allekha

Allekha
United States  

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  7/21/2022

I checked the Golden Desert genome, and what might be happening with your Golden Desert crosses is that they have pigment bleed genes (a type of gene that alters color) that are just like those in the other breeds, but silenced, meaning they aren't used. But if you cross them with another norn type, getting the used or unused pigment bleed genes or a mix of both will slightly alter the colors.

Several of the color genes also have a high mutation rate, so you might simply be getting lucky with those particular crosses.

 
Growler

Growler
South Africa  


  7/21/2022

Thanks for the advise and the explanation. I think I understand now.
 


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