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Lurhstaap

Lurhstaap
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  3/20/2016

So the chemicals labeled preREM and REM do not trigger the dreaming then? I was thinking of trying to make them emit REM while awake to see what that did. That's too bad - I forgot about dreaming when I typed the last post, but if we could make them basically just dream while awake it'd be perfect.

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evolnemesis
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evolnemesis
United States  


  3/21/2016

You can try injecting those chemicals, but I think the engine and their brains only do anything with them while they are asleep... I'm not sure though, it's worth at least trying.

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Lurhstaap

Lurhstaap
United States  

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  3/21/2016

In that case I guess I'll give it a shot - can't hurt! I'll let you know how it turns out if you're interested.

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evolnemesis
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evolnemesis
United States  


  3/21/2016

Yeah, definitely let me know... they kind of have to be something the game engine deals with directly with something hardcoded, since I have seen no genes that do anything with those chemicals, not even SV rules in any brain genes that use them for anything... My best guess is the game does something with them to signal starting and stopping instinct processing as part of the dream cycle...

Since it seems to inject the chemicals itself, I fear it might only look at their levels while it is in the middle of running that process, but I could be wrong... it might actually react interestingly to seeing those chemicals in a creature at any time... Best case, you may be able to get them to dream while awake... The situations they would experience will be the ones in their instincts, and the experience will tend to reinforce any instincts they have I'd think. Not sure how it would make them act while that is happening, though my guess is they would seem mostly catatonic while they try to manipulate things that are not really there...


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Malkin

Malkin
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  12/9/2016

evolnemesis wrote:

Also, if you use any CFF or CFF-based genome other than one of the TWB genomes for your breed, I would recommend looking for the following 2 CFF chemical receptor genes and deleting or silencing either of them if they are there... (TWB are based on CFF, but have additional systems and changes that work to fix the issues associated with these two genes...):

- An alcohol receptor in the liver catabolic organ which attaches to the organ's rate (this is defective and slows the liver to a crawl unless they are drunk, no real bad effect other than it makes it very hard for them to store nutrition unless they drink alcohol constantly... they can live healthy lives, but they will not be able to build up glycogen stores, so some will get 'near death' music and groans when not hungry)...

- An adipose receptor in the mitochondrial organ, causing organ damage when adipose is extremely high... (this inevitably causes heart failure in any creature with a normal liver, because it turns out that C3 genomes normally don't actually ever burn fat and max out adipose levels pretty quickly... The defective gene in the liver existing at the same time covered this problem up in testing, because it stopped them from storing excess fat.)



Did you mean the liver anabolic for the alcohol receptor? Looking at the C12DS pack, they seem to have an alcohol receptor there.


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evolnemesis
Code Monkey

evolnemesis
United States  


  1/10/2017

Yeah that would be it... I think it's the only alcohol receptor they have besides the ones near the end of the genome that determine their variant-based alcohol behaviors.

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