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The ultimate ChiChi Norn genome?   
Arnout

Arnout
Netherlands  


  12/26/2016  1

Hey Creatures community. During 2016 my interest in Creatures has been going off and on like a broken Pulsed Switch. I recently read the topic about keeping the Creatures community alive and considered starting up DS again to play around with some Norns for a bit. After all it's unlikely that we'll see a new game anytime soon and these old games have always been big part of my childhood. After playing around for a bit I figured out that there were a few things that I wasn't very happy about. For instance the offline servers, eat elevator syndrome and other things that we could discuss for hours. These are affairs that we as fanbase just can't help, sadly.

However, we still have development tools. We can put up Creatures for adoption, download each others' worlds, make new breeds and upgrade the old games as much as we like. This brings me to my next point, as some time ago a few people released a bunch of new base genomes for Creatures 3 and Docking Station. First there were CFE Creatures, then CFF ones and lastly Creatures that simulated real body temperatures. All of these have their own advantages and flaws which I will not really put into much detail here.

So, since I've been playing DS again I've been wanting to figure out what the ultimate base Creature genome would be like. I've looked into CFF, CFE and TWB genomes, took a bunch of their positive characteristics and made an attempt to merge these into a single ChiChi Norn. I started out with a CFF genome and went further where the original authors left. Details are below:

- CFF Creatures had a broken Alcohol receptor that left them unable to store nutrients properly in their bodies.
- Fixing this caused the Creatures to accumulate a lot of Adipose Tissue which led to heart disease. They overate because they got hungry faster than that they could dissimilate nutrients.
- Looking into TWB genomes, I figured out a way to adjust hunger gains to the amount of nutrients in Creature bodies.
- This, as well as some other changes, led to a bunch of ChiChi Norns that can almost live perfectly on their own.

You could consider these CFF 1.2 Norns, however, (before making egg agents and expanding these genes onto other Creature breeds) I'm looking for people that are willing to test this ChiChi Norn strain and people that are willing to give their opinion on this matter. What do you think of these ChiChi Norns and what are characteristics that would make an ultimate Norn (genome) for you?

Download them here. (Version 3) Download includes the new ChiChi Norn genome, 4 test Creature files and DS Starter Parent files for enthusiasts. Back up your old files!
"CFF 1.2" ChiChi's:
- A fixed digestion system. The amount of hunger these Norns gain depends on the amount of nutrients in their bodies. There are no other hunger inducing sources in their genomes.
- Updated pigment/pigment bleed mutation rates & these genes can no longer duplicate.
- Stimuli were updated to reflect changes to hunger and to prevent endless (approaching) loops in the Norn Home or with other Creatures.
- New: All activities that are done by Creatures are measured with Activase. (Chemical 124) Activase makes the Creatures' bodies produce Anabolic Steroid which allows them to store protein in their bodies as Muscle Tissue.

TL;DR: I made an attempt at updating the CFF 1.1 Creatures that were released some time ago. I seek people's opinions on these as well as everybody's thoughts on what the ultimate C3/DS Norn genome would be like, to hopefully increase the quality of these games someday.

 
Zurinsel13

Zurinsel13
Austria  

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  12/27/2016

I will test them right away and keep you updated ^-^

"Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others"
-Jonathan Swift

 
Zurinsel13

Zurinsel13
Austria  

 visit Zurinsel13's website: Random maybe
  12/27/2016

One thing I discovered yet ( I have no idea if this is normal or not) But when I fed them (cornucupia and the normal dispenser stuff like seeds, etc) the baby chichis had the max amount of adipose tissue, while a chichi in her youth had a normal level of adipose tissue. For comparison I bred an evo norn and an expressive bengal, both babies do not have such a high amount of adipose tissue .-. Is this normal for chichi babies to be like this?

Edit: I had a bunch of chichis and some started to die after 20-35 min ( the evo norn and the bengal are doing good however),had just left for an episode on tv and found a lot of dead norns q-q


"Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others"
-Jonathan Swift

 
Arnout

Arnout
Netherlands  


  12/29/2016  1

Hey, thanks for your response. :)

That's something I came across myself as well. Do you think that you could keep track of what the Norns' diets consist of? E.g. do they particularly eat seeds, fruits or food?

What I've noticed so far is that Norns always choose to eat either fruits and food, or seeds and food. Norns that had a diet of seeds and food easily built up a lot of adipose tissue. They died later on. (That's very likely because seeds and food both contain fat, and fat gets saved up as adipose tissue.) However, Norns that chose to eat fruits and food had very stable adipose tissue levels at all times. (30-50%)

Update: I just tested two Norns and one of them decided that eating food was the best way to become less hungry for protein. Their adipose tissue levels raised very quickly. Letting them switch to fruits (to get rid of this protein hunger) caused the adipose tissue levels to lower again over time. The Norns somehow get a natural preference for food, causing them to overeat.

I've uploaded a new version that'll probaply work a bit better.

 
Zurinsel13

Zurinsel13
Austria  

 visit Zurinsel13's website: Random maybe
  12/29/2016

Yay! I will try for testing a group of chichis in a new world, but this time I will have a group that will be provided with seeds as much as they like, while they other will get more fruit supply and less seeds!
Also I will again keep different kind of norns for comparison in another separated metaroom with vastly the same diet as the fruit ones ^-^

So far I watched these 3 groups more closely, all of them are doing really good, I even have a group where I put as many garden box seed patch plants and so far those chichis don't look that bad, I will check their adipose tissue nevertheless

Edit: Even the chichi group with the never ending supply of seeds did not die nor have too much adipose tissue, it was in okay and not life threatening conditions! That are very good news! :D


"Vision is the art of seeing what is invisible to others"
-Jonathan Swift

 
Arnout

Arnout
Netherlands  


  12/31/2016  1

That's very good news indeed!

It turned out that the Norns that got into danger were eating too much food after all. They somehow resolved that eating food was the best way to get rid of protein hunger, which is rather unusual as in C3/DS fruit contains a lot more protein than food. A single change in their genome was enough to get rid of this natural preference for (junk) food.

I'm satisified with how they're turning out but I'll do some more fine tuning before planning an official release. Let me know if anything else stands out in their behaviour.

Edit: Something that I've just noticed myself is that they can't store Muscle Tissue properly, due to a broken receptor that attempts to measure how much "Muscle energy is used". I'll figure out a different way for them to store Muscle Tissue. This is why they're hungry for protein all the time.

 
Missmysterics

Missmysterics



  1/2/2017

I believe norns generally have a tendancy to get "fat" and for CFFs this is a pretty major problem, I believe there were fixes that were applied to their livers (or equivelent) that while it fixed some problems it made them much more susceptible to the effects of obesity.

 
Arnout

Arnout
Netherlands  


  1/3/2017

Missmysterics wrote:
I believe norns generally have a tendancy to get "fat" and for CFFs this is a pretty major problem, I believe there were fixes that were applied to their livers (or equivelent) that while it fixed some problems it made them much more susceptible to the effects of obesity.



True! That's one of the first things I've noticed while developing these. The latest version (3) that I've listed above should not have a tendency to get very fat.

Currently, I'm checking out how the C3 standard breeds and mall breeds fare with these changes. So far the only ones that needed a few extra edits were Treehuggers.

 


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