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 Bifrost   |
First off, with FC no longer making CO, do we now, until further notice from Spil, consider Master Shee as no longer canon? Secondly, I'm missing a gallery, or rather two galleries, collecting various images of the shee, the first one containing official imagery, like in-game pictures such as statues, objects, splash screens and the likes, promo pictures, video caps and/or links to videos depicting shee, and things like that, while the second one containing fan art of shee, shee statues and things like that. Some official portrayals: Creatures:    Creatures 2:     Creatures 3/ Docking Station:  Some fan portrayals: Creatures Online (not canon at the moment):  Others:  Sidhe, by Lis Morris.  From Jesseth on Tumblr.  From Jesseth right here on the galleries.  From Uzag on DevianArt.  From ChameleonSushi right here on the galleries. Is the inspiration picture shown at the top an official portrayal, though? |
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 Rha |
Honestly I didn't like the FC version at all, he looks like a furry version of Doc from back to the future. I think the more alien they look the better.  |
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Bifrost |
Personally, Uzag's is one of my favourite depictions so far. I do love the interpretations of shee statues, though, like Jesseth's. |
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 SlimeTV |
I sorta like fc's version of shee but that's probably because im a huge furry. Other incarnations are also good. "Nuh-uh-uh girl, you do NOT need another pet simulator-" |
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 Norngirl  |
The Creatures 2 Statue allways was the aline like Shee for me, Also I think Uzag made a great job on her take,too! The Creatures 3 one,I never thought was a Shee at first,just old human man.Just simply look so wrong to me. The C1 broken statue was unknown for me what it was when I for the first time played C1,except it's a renderation of the popular statue of liberty,but with a strange figure,yet a little bit creepy with those huge black eyes.(I didn't know about the Shee themself back then,until a bit later thought. ) Anyhow,looking at it,it still have some close similarness with the C2 one, and I also liked the Lis Morris Shee breed,being young I even belived it was the canon look of how that statue in the C1 sea was meant to look like XD As for the Fishing Cactus one.... It's too human for me,or simply way too much Jak&Daxter. Don't get me wrong,I like long elf like ears - but that one dosn't scream aline nor "The Shee" to me.. I myself been drawing various tries on a Shee, but I still need to improve.. So yeah,I stick with the old grumpy sitting statue in C2. |
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 Moe |
In my opinion... The Shee are supposed to be mysterious. We're not supposed to really know what they look like. Nor are they supposed to be approachable, smiling, quirky inventors as CO made them out to be. That image of them only started arising after the "Lone Shee" mythos came into being, which never appeared in-game except through minor references. We’re never supposed to encounter the Shee. They are supposed to be to us as much the mysterious gods as they are to Norns, Ettins, and Grendels. All of our depictions are then valid, as long as the current developers of Creatures keep out of it [as they should!]. Vague, ancient depictions are all we need. That said… The actual Shee are closer to the C1 statue, C2 statue, and videos we have in C2 (laptop and activating the Gene Splicer for the first time), precisely because the videos are the most reliable evidence we have. The statues could have been built by anyone, even the Ettins…but the videos? Those had to be created by the Shee. Did the Shee doctor them? Maybe. But the statues match them. That leaves us 3 options: 1. The Shee doctored the videos to preserve their image and built the statues in that altered image, because that is how they wanted to be perceived. 2. The Shee doctored the images but did not build the statues, which means they only ever presented themselves in a certain manner to the creatures and would-be builders. 3. The Shee did not doctor the videos and the statues are accurate. So really that’s only 2 options: The Shee wanted to be perceived as they are shown in C1 and C2, or they actually look as they are suggested. Uzag’s image is excellent, as it looks to me like a more detailed version of the C1/C2 depictions. |
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 Lurhstaap |
Count me as another who prefers the Shee to look very alien and really dislikes the excessively humanized versions. I do think it's conceivable though that a race with such a love of genetic tinkering and willing to tinker on itself would not necessarily have a consistent appearance anyway. But I hate the general trend of making aliens look inexplicably humanlike in any sci-fi which is why I don't like the Shee to be humanlike. It just defies logic. There's nothing special about the human bodyplan such that it makes sense that all sentient life on any planet would develop similarly. I definitely fall into the 'furry fandom' (which is part of why I like Creatures, they're furries in a way) and I could see the Shee as making themselves look rather like anthro Norns and Grendels (for the Banshee), but the sci-fi cliche of the overly humanlike alien just bugs me. I do agree with Moe, too, that the Shee were always meant to be the mysterious gods in the background rather than anything sweetness-and-light and approachable. In fact if you think about it from a human perspective the Shee are completely insane and callously destructive. Pretty much no human, even the craziest and most evil, would find it valid to destroy the entire surface of a planet and 99% of all life there, solely to launch a single spaceship. I mean, really! "It'll grow back" is the most callous, uncaring response to that level of devastation I can imagine for any being that supposedly values life. If you really think about it, the Lone Shee was extremely selfish and did a lot of really questionable things. He might have seemed like a good guy relative to the Banshee, but it's very, very relative. And the entire concept of creating life forms to do things for you smacks of genetic slavery. Et cetera. So I definitely prefer a more alien, inexplicable, mysterious manifestation for them. They are NOT just humans in funny suits and I'd hate for their canon to be changed into that. There's definitely stuff that's charming, funny, and relateable about the Shee - there have to be for them to be good characters - but the more those things contrast with their fundamentally alien nature and really having minds that work very differently from human's, the better, IMO. That really emphasizes that you're dealing with a profoundly different yet still sapient species rather than merely another variety of human. Conclude with killer catchphrase. (Lurhstaap) "This is not knowledge - this is information!" New Model Army, "Courage" |
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Rha |
I agree with you guys (Norngirl, Moe, Lurhstaap) and yes, like you said Lurhstaap they probably were cold, thinking on another level and such. Destructive aliens that create test tube semi-intelligent pets and torture and manipulate them for their own amusement. Sounds cruel but honestly it's like kids having an ant farm (sadly. I don't think being cruel to bugs is good at all). Heh, I have this problem with most games that give you a paragon/renegade option and creatures too, I can't be cruel to them u_u; I do think having those options give depth to the game tho (also it shows who's secretly a really mean person : p). |
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Lurhstaap |
Personally I acknowledge and accept my own dark side. It's not necessarily fun, but keeping your mental gators fed is an important part of mental health. So I really appreciate that Creatures allows for that. But I also just think it's more realistic, period - in life, the good things are given context and value by their contrast with the not-so-good things, after all... It's not that the Shee are interstellar sociopaths - they have their own sense of ethics, empathy, and such. It's just very very different than what we humans hold as values under the same names. So you get this dissonance where the Shee are -both- the charming tea-and-biscuit loving vaguely English other-planet-people AND the cold, callous, selfish, incomprehensible alien beings, all at the same time. That's how real life is, that's how real people are, and so therefore that's how I like my aliens in sci-fi but to an even greater degree because they are aliens. :p I think a great example is the Protoss from Starcraft, a race who the Shee remind me of in some ways. The Protoss can be viewed from one perspective as Space Elves - honorable, upright, highly ethical beings who are so refined they communicate through telepathy and consider vocal mouth-sounds to be crude. At the very same time, these are people who are willing to flash-burn an entire planet, sapient life and all, just to be certain of eradicating any Zerg presence that MIGHT be there. I mean this isn't like what the Lone Shee did. This is turning the planet's surface into GLASS. "It'll regrow" isn't even a thing in what the Protoss did. It will NOT regrow. And I could go on and on about other really crazy, messed-up stuff the Protoss have done/are willing to do. So yeah. Same deal. A lot to admire, empathize with, and relate to, yet still ultimately running under a totally inhuman logic and reasoning process and very different values. Conclude with killer catchphrase. (Lurhstaap) "This is not knowledge - this is information!" New Model Army, "Courage" |
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 Wrong Banshee Dragoler |
I too am on the side of them looking more alien as opposed to more human-like. Uzag's Shee, to me, is the best interpretation and closest matches my own idea on how they look. Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base.  |
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Rha |
Somehow, the Timelords popped in my mind when you said "So you get this dissonance where the Shee are -both- the charming tea-and-biscuit loving vaguely English other-planet-people AND the cold, callous, selfish, incomprehensible alien beings, all at the same time." xD I like the Protoss, visually (and some individuals). As a race they aren't depicted very diversely, at least in SC2. But then again I could complain a lot about SC2 so : p I like the Sangheili more, but because they grow in the series. I really like the human-sangheili alliance stuff going on now in Halo. But yes, I'd prefer if the Shee stay 'dead'. |
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Lurhstaap |
Ha! I didn't think of that when I was typing it, but you're absolutely right, the same applies to the Timelords. XD (And I rather like the Protoss in both games but ultimately I'm on Team Zerg anyway, so. :p) Conclude with killer catchphrase. (Lurhstaap) "This is not knowledge - this is information!" New Model Army, "Courage" |
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Moe |
An article on the Shee, Gameware website. If it is to be believed, they were brilliant but shortsighted, and unnaturally lucky. Launch a ship into space that kills the whole planet? They were too busy celebrating the success of their over-engineers and convoluted attempt over tea and biscuits to even look back and see what happened... |
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Lurhstaap |
Like I said - cold, callous, and selfish. XD At least in my opinion! Too busy self-congratulating to even consider the consequences of your actions? Seems like self-absorption to the Nth degree to me. But then again I guess you can't entirely blame them. Perhaps their brains just have really weirdly wired circuitry for the whole concept of consequences doesn't seem to register much with them. Conclude with killer catchphrase. (Lurhstaap) "This is not knowledge - this is information!" New Model Army, "Courage" |
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Moe |
I consider the attributes of cold, callous, and selfish to require at least base moral processing before making a decision. You have to choose to be either of those things. I don't think the Shee stopped to think when it came to their crazy endeavors. In that regard they were more like a force of nature than a moral agent of destruction. Self absorbed though? Oh yes, with exceptionally narrow sight. But maliciously/intentionally so? I doubt it. It's just how they were wired. Shee motto: "Do because we can." |
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Lurhstaap |
Ah, I see what you mean by the distinction. I wasn't personally making one when I used those terms, but I agree it's valid. I'm not sure how to describe that sort of thing though - English vocabulary, while immense, isn't complete, alas. 'Massively, destructively self-absorbed by nature' is the fairest assessment I can make I guess. They're definitely at least -capable- of active malice, though - the Banshee started out as normal Shee, so they still count. Conclude with killer catchphrase. (Lurhstaap) "This is not knowledge - this is information!" New Model Army, "Courage" |
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Moe |
Epic Plot Twist: Banshee were morally self-aware and opposed Shee recklessness, but history was written by the winners... |
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Lurhstaap |
I love it!! Sounds quite probable, actually... Conclude with killer catchphrase. (Lurhstaap) "This is not knowledge - this is information!" New Model Army, "Courage" |
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Bifrost |
Do anyone have images of the shee from the in-game videos available? Both the laptop and the splicer would be great. |
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Moe |
I have them, but I haven't uploaded anything in so long I'm not even sure where reliable image hosting is anymore... The sprite files are anou.s16 and lapt.s16, if that helps. |
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 SpaceShipRat |
There are quite a few portrayals on Deviantart which it might be nice to add t the OP |
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 Puddini |
Maybe there are many kinds of Shee like with Norns and that's why they look different in each game. |
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 KC11 |
I always had the thought that maybe the statue and C2 video depictions of the Shee were actually of them wearing some sort of mask. Which would then be how they could still match up with the C3 shee. Do not upset the ugly worm, lest it be a dragon in disguise. (>oo)> |
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 Code Monkey evolnemesis |
I wouldn't put it past them to have done all kinds of things to themselves genetically at various points either, so their appearance really could change a lot or have changed a lot in the past. Imagine some Shee gets a great idea about how to make all Shee able to think faster or maybe just able to reach biscuits from a little further away. It's easy to imagine that in a helpful mood, this Shee might engineer and release a masterful airborne DNA-altering retrovirus to incorporate his 'improvements' into all of the Shee on the planet... Surely they all would be grateful... I mean, okay, after the fact, he didn't quite anticipate ALL the changes that would come about, but they weren't TOO bad... I'm sure he'd have quickly satisfied himself that the other Shee wouldn't hold a grudge... There are more interesting things to think about after all than the shape of one's head... So many new discoveries to make and mysteries of the universe to uncover, like the ever-elusive enigma of the perfect tea delivery system... "For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love." "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." - Carl Sagan |
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Bifrost |
Moe, are those .s16 files in C2toDS? |
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Moe |
I regret that they are not. Neither was a pressing object or function to add I'm afraid.  |
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Bifrost |
Updated the op. Personally, I kind of like to imagine the shee looking somewhat similar to the mudokons from Oddworld, perhaps with hints of the glukkons in there as well.   Mudokons.   Glukkons. |
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Wrong Banshee Dragoler |
OK, so here's a theory as for why some depictions in canon show Shee with a long face while others show them with a short face, what if it's sexual dimorphism? The long faced Shee could be female while the shorter faced ones, such as what we assume is a depiction of Lone would be male? Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base. |
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SpaceShipRat |
Another theory is they just change their appearance so quickly they look like a completely different species. Or the long-faced one in the C1 ocean might be wearing a mask. |
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 Peppery One Papriko |
How about it just being a localized trait that remained natural and wasn't subject to their genetic meddling because it didn't really matter? Like, the facial features simply depended on the region they/their ancestors were from, maybe like skin color in humans or.... IDK, ear size in elephants. Since it is a purely optical thing, they did not bother changing it and just took what they were given. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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Lurhstaap |
Well, maybe. But the Shee ARE pretty into purely optical genetics as well. I mean when Lone made Astros and Zebras he was purely thinking about looks. Conclude with killer catchphrase. (Lurhstaap) "This is not knowledge - this is information!" New Model Army, "Courage" |
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Peppery One Papriko |
Okay, then perhaps it is modified exactly for that reason. Instead of a gold chain, you buy yourself a big long snout. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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Wrong Banshee Dragoler |
I'm not convinced about the Shee turning genetic alterations onto themselves for cosmetic reasons. There is, after all a big difference between designer pets and changing your own body. You can see it in humans. We breed animals, especially dogs, to have cute features, but consider adding those features to your OWN body? Yeah, that's a whole other kettle of fish. We see ourselves ABOVE them so it's OK and I always imagined the Shee thinking the same way. When the Banshee spliced themselves with Grendels it was a MASSIVE statement to the other Shee. They saw them as deviants and the splicing only went further to reinforce that idea. If the Shee spliced for personal aesthetics all the time, why would the Banshee's choice matter so much to them? Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base. |
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Bifrost |
Dragoler wrote: One word: Cher. |
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Rha |
Are you saying Cher is a Shee? (headcanon accepted) |
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Peppery One Papriko |
Dragoler wrote: Perhaps because they used the DNA of the "dirty" grendels, the failed experiments, the gross abominations? And/or because the Banshee did not go with the beauty standards of the Shee society. Look how some people frown upon punks for example because of their colorful hair, piercings and tattoos. Same story. In the case of Shee, it just escalated much further. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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