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General Forum What IS muco? DS    Slohse      9/30/2015  1 Okay, I've been wondering about this for a while, but what IS that thing that can somehow lay different species eggs? Is it alive? Was it invented? How does it go through natural processes so quickly? And what is that control panel? Basically just a topic for speculation.   Dienes   9/30/2015 I figured it was like the submarine from the Ghost in the Shell manga. It was a regular sub....with a biological tail for silent running. It wasn't alive, it wasn't sapient or sentient, it was a mechanical construct with technorganic parts. I imagine Muco is just an incubator with a few biological pieces to aid functioning.   Peppery One Papriko   9/30/2015  2 Looking at the other pieces of shee technology and the way they think, I would rather say that it comes from the other side of cybernetics. It started out as heavily genetically modified life form and was upgraded with technological parts, such as the display, for convenience. At least that'd make sense I think. Remember: when they needed butlers to serve tea and cookies, they did not build robots or something. They sat down and smashed together a completely genome, giving us norns! I imagine that the egg layer functions are controlled by stimulating certain neuronal paths or something. That goes way easier when you slap an interface on top. What else would you wanna do anyway? Play them like guitar strings? EDIT: Sorry, I forgot my conclusion. My conclusion is that Muco is a big lizard with a display and no head, kept alive by the ship systems so he can vomit eggs indefinitely. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis...   Slohse   9/30/2015 But how does he go through the process so quickly? I can understand asexual reproduction, but creating other species eggs? I find it hard to believe.   Wrong Banshee Dragoler     9/30/2015 I thought ettins were created to be assistants while norns were created to be pets? But yeah, I think its most likely that they genetically engineered Muco then added some mechanical interfaces to it like Papriko said. It is probably alive but less aware than the other creatures. Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base.   Peppery One Papriko   9/30/2015 mlohse, it is not that weird actually. In fact it happens a lot, even in real life. A virus for example reproduces solely by reprogramming body cells of living beings into producing more of the virus instead of anything else, despite their initial genetic codes barely resembling each other. And sometimes the offspring of a species looks very little like their parents. Take ants or bees. There is the queen and there is a hand full of males to fertilize her. Their offspring is thousands and thousands of little workers. None of these three groups look a lot like each other, yet they are the same species. Based on that principle, maybe Muco is not a "completely different species", but actually just some kind of horribly mutated grendel or something. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis...   Wee Scrivener Trell     9/30/2015  1 Some sort of genome bank, perhaps? I remember a bit in the C2 intro where a spider or something ended up triggering the production of more Norn eggs, so maybe Muco works in a similar way. A genetic library with the genomes/dna of each subspecies, so when activated, it could take that genetic code and formulate a viable egg? Part computer, part organic, gengineered to make the production of eggs quick and efficient. Least that's my take on it. Trell "Holy crap in a casket!"   Slohse   9/30/2015 *shiver* if so, I feel bad for muco!   Wrong Banshee Dragoler     9/30/2015 I expect it has a store of readily formed eggs inside which it just needs to fertilize and send out. Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base.   Code Monkey evolnemesis   9/30/2015  1 I imagine when a breed and sex is picked, the genetics are just injected into it somehow in the form of a gamete (this function is probably mechanical, and controlled with the interface), with the muco basically just having the biological equipment to make a 'copy' of the chromosomes to combine with the gamete and then make a fertilized egg cell which is a clone of the original genetics, (much the same way cells copy chromosomes after the pairs split as part of the process of mitosis, to basically clone themselves), along with the ability to mature these eggs to be ready for laying in an accelerated manner, which was probably genetically engineered into it. "For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love." "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." - Carl Sagan   Wrong Banshee Dragoler     9/30/2015 Norns, ettins and grendels are haploid, there wouldn't be a need for a 2nd copy of the gametes to create a viable egg, assuming the entire genome is programmed into the 1st. Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base.   Code Monkey evolnemesis   9/30/2015 Creatures, and many real haploid organisms, still reproduce sexually using a pair of gametes, one from each parent, by putting them together into an egg cell, and then undergoing meiosis to give a haploid random combination of the two sets of chromosomes for the offspring's genetics... But correct, theoretically for a haploid organism, all that would be needed would be to inject a gamete, much like an egg into a surrogate mother, and it would still make a viable offspring. Bees can reproduce sexually for example, but male bees are haploid, coming from unfertilized eggs... I think it's a tossup whether the Muco uses pairs of gametes to make an egg or not, it probably depends what it naturally did to reproduce, since that would have been easier. Either way, that chromosome copying/splitting stuff is all stuff that cells can already handle and do naturally. "For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love." "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." - Carl Sagan   Wrong Banshee Dragoler     9/30/2015 I am going to assume it only requires 1 gametes worth of genetics, seeing as combining 2 identical sets without causing mutations would be both unnecessary and difficult (random mutations always occur in those processes eventually) Creator of the TWB/TCB genome base.   Code Monkey evolnemesis   9/30/2015 True, no mutations kind of points to it probably just implanting the eggs or genetics directly and bypassing the whole recombination part. They wouldn't even need to be fertilized in that case. "For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love." "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." - Carl Sagan

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