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Help Forum C2 - toxic pregnancy - prostaglandin    Moon      8/22/2015 Hello all! Let me start by saying how happy I am that a Creatures Community is still here. I must've stopped playing about 8 years ago, have recently rediscovered the joys of raising Norns, and feared I'd be alone in that. Glad I was wrong! Now on to my question; mernons have always kind of been my favourite. I'd re-downloaded AquaShee's amphibious mernorn eggs, only to find my 1st hatched female passed out after her third egg. (She had been good at eating and sleeping, so I don't think that's likely to have been the issue.) Luckily I was in time to revive her, but by that time she had suffered some major organ damage. I exported her and continued playing with one of her daughters, but to my surprise I found that she, too, had suffered major organ damage (i.e. lung bars down to a quarter or so) after her first egg. Would anyone know what might be causing this? Also, I read that prostaglandin helps with fixing organs. Is that true? I have tried patching up the daughter's lungs by injecting some, but I'm not sure I can see any improvement. (Of course, that might also just be my eyes ) Anyway, thanks for reading, and I hope someone might know something that'll settle my confusion - if only a little. Cheers! Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.   Lodestar Doringo     8/22/2015 As far as I can tell from memory, the healing process is very slow and you tend to need to reinject prostaglandin like 100 times for a significant effect.   The Mossy Shee Jesseth     8/22/2015 If I remember right, prostaglandin helps with removing the 'injured' status of norns, and -can- help to reverse damage, but it depends on what was hurt! Some organs can naturally recover themselves, and some can't. Don't quote me but I think that for instance, the liver can recover over time, but the uterus cannot, as an example! The creatures wikia might have a more comprehensive list of what can and can't regenerate and what they need? Here's the c2 chemical list in case that's useful in helping with injections! Try searching things like organs and breeds too! I do know that in c3, you can actually artificially do a little to help (and harm) organs using caos code, but I don't think the code is the same between games! It could also be that they're all eating something bad for them, or have some kind of mutation. If possible, maybe you could try raising them in a different area to see if they fare better? c: The Mossy Shee & Co   Malkin Manager     8/22/2015 Have you tried Vitamin E? There are some cobs available here that have that as an ingredient. My TCR Norns   Code Monkey evolnemesis   8/22/2015 Organs have 2 values, a life force and an injury health level... The life force normally goes down slowly as the organ ages but also represents permanent damage, it can never be recovered. The health level can be recovered, but can never go higher than the life force... (so the maximum organ health declines as the organ ages or succumbs to permanent damage) If an organ gets injured, the health level immediately drops from the injury, and then the two levels go towards each other... The organ's life force decreases faster as the injury heals naturally, and normally the two levels will meet in the middle. The organ's lifespan (and max health) is now decreased because of that lost life force, this represents permanent organ damage. Prostaglandin helps prevent some of this permanent damage by increasing the health level faster during this process, so that it goes back up towards the life force level more quickly and meets it before as much life force is lost. Vitamin E also helps their Gonads and Uterus be more resilient to injury... Basically, if something is constantly causing injury, you'll need to keep pumping those into them, and even then it won't really make the organ heal back up all the way to normal, it will only slow the damage and lower the long-term damage to the organ's life force. Still, the life force always goes down, and if it hits 0, the organ's dead for good. "For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love." "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." - Carl Sagan   Moon   8/23/2015 Wow, I hadn't expected 4 replies in the morning - thanks a lot!! Both Norns seem to have naturally high levels of Vitamin C and E, and I have a healing ammonite cob (which gives off those vitamins and prostaglandin upon being pushed) that the mum especially loves playing with - so that's that covered. One environmentally-related cause I had hypothesised was that they had a genetic mutation that caused them to become aquatic rather that amphibious upon getting pregnant - because the lungs (along with an organ that directly translated from Dutch would be called "Centre for understanding" - third or fourth down from the top) seemed to be the first to start going. Is there a direct causal relationship between the cause and the organ that fails - so if a norn is suffocating or otherwise experiences impaired breathing, the lungs start failing? Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.   Code Monkey evolnemesis   8/23/2015 I don't think not getting enough air/oxygen actually damages the lungs no, but it definitely could be causal the other way around... if there are problems with the lungs or the heart or the temperature regulation, it definitely could get breathing problems... actually even if the creature is too hot or has a fever, it can pant, which causes the lungs to age faster and also causes them to take faster breaths, leading to oxygen deficiencies and if bad enough, even suffocation, which can definitely damage other things or just kill them outright (if it gets bad enough that they run out of oxygen in their bodies completely, they stop making energy and die)... coughing and some antigens can also damage the lungs. "For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love." "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." - Carl Sagan   Moon   8/23/2015 Ah, right, thanks! So really, to find out what caused it, I'd have to raise her again (I copy-export all my norns at infancy like a good girl), get her pregnant again and really monitor what's going on. Which I'm reluctant to do, 'cause obviously the pregnancy hasn't done either of them much good... Still, I've learned a lot, so thanks again! Any more / other ideas would, of course, be very welcome Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.   Malkin Manager     8/23/2015 Do you have something to remove the radiation from the volcano, like this cob? My TCR Norns   Moon   8/23/2015 Did not - do now! Thanks! Edit; awesome, might make the volcano a good place for them to be pregnant too Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.   The Mossy Shee Jesseth     8/23/2015 @Moon I'm pretty sure that mernorns in c2 become fully aquatic upon adulthood! So if they're above water then they'll start to suffocate! mernorns on the wikia! The Mossy Shee & Co   Moon   8/23/2015 @Jesseth If AquaShee hasn't been lying about the stuff he's uploaded, there's a sixpack of amphibious mernon eggs (so they can breathe both on land and in water all their lives, supposedly) available for download from what's now an archive mirror site. Those are the ones I've been using Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.   The Mossy Shee Jesseth     8/23/2015 @Moon aaah good point! sorry, I was looking at the default yeah QvQ hm, perhaps it's just that something in them still isn't super geared up to being amphibious past a point? I'm fascinated now by what it could be, either way, it's really cool to see folks looking hard into creature health and biology! c: The Mossy Shee & Co   Moon   8/24/2015 @Jesseth No apology necessary! If I ever do find out what caused it (like I said, a big part of me doesn't really want to get them preggers again ) I'll let you guys know! Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

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