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Is there a way to automatically log what my creatures say while the game is running, and save it in an external text file? My TCR Norns |
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 Code Monkey evolnemesis |
I would think it's definitely doable in an agent... there are logging and file saving and file appending functions in CAOS, and there is an event that all agents get when creatures speak around them (this is how the 'speech bubble factory' bootstrap script works... I think the event message number is 169, but you can check in the speech bubble factory .cos file in the bootstrap directory or the CAOS documentation in the appendix where it lists message/script numbers). You can either modify the speech bubble factory .cos file , or make a new agent that responds to that event (your agent would just need have a script corresponding to event #169...) If you make a new agent, its hearing range is the same as its sight range, so you'd want to set RNGE accordingly in its create script. "For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love." "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." - Carl Sagan |
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 Peppery One Papriko |
The CAOS Documentation wrote: Taken from the Script Numbers table. We are not going to make speech bubbles, but it is juuuuust what we need. That's probably what evolnemesis was looking for. The entire script could look something like this:
That script alone together with a dummy agent should record all the speech in the world. You should check the file, though, I *think* after 65.000 and a bit lines files are full. I have to warn you, though. I am quite confident that it will work, but this script is untested. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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Code Monkey evolnemesis |
Very nice... I did have the number wrong, but yeah, that is the general idea... should be pretty simple to implement. Really, that message number could come in handy for all kinds of things... Maybe a toy that hops towards the nearest norn that complains of boredom... There are already food vendors that listen for complaints, but a few more couldn't hurt... maybe make one that wheels towards the hungry norn and dispenses food right in front of it (spoiled norn...) Or maybe a pest or beast that reacts negatively to speech near it and stings/attacks the offender. Or plants that grow faster when spoken to... If you were really ambitious, you could make a kind of furby toy for creatures that 'learns' their speech and talks back, maybe saying random words it has heard... For example, with educated and non-educated norns and grendels around, it would eventually be saying nonsensical sentences with norn and grendel bibble words and names from your world mixed together with some handish, like 'Lavender like ung', or 'em bibble grah'.. "For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love." "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." - Carl Sagan |
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Malkin Manager |
Actually, that's kind of what I'm interested in testing - whether creatures who are raised in a DS world where the empathic vendor is listening to them express significantly more than creatures who are raised in a world where the empathic vendor is deafened. Would it be possible to cut the logging off with a timestamp once the log file approaches the maximum size? My TCR Norns |
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Code Monkey evolnemesis |
Also remember that, unless they have Librarian or CFF 3.0+ speech edits, creatures will also express more when they are crowded, to get rid of even small amounts of anger (of course, they get more crowded from this, causing a feedback loop, and while retreating from each other, they will be looking at each other, so not only will they be expressing more, they will also be forced to answer anything each other say, including the randomly forced opinion expressions any time they interact, which as you know is the whole problem with that instinct and the 'heard creature speak' working together and why I made those changes). And of course creatures are forced to express by scripts when they have any particularly high drives, but this will be true for all creatures. I'd suggest for best results, to try and keep the number of creatures in the world relatively stable while running the test (maybe set a limit of like 8-10 alive in the world at once and keep them in that room), so that you don't get misleading results based changes in stress related to a changing number of creatures or their extra use of resources... Otherwise, it will be too hard to keep your test and control environments similar enough to each other to isolate and get really meaningful results about the effect the vendors are having. I was actually thinking more of an opposite kind of test on my end... Though a bit cruel, to have things violently attack creatures and cause them pain if they speak, bugs that sting them if they talk near them for example, or beasts that attack and injure them, so that quieter norns will live longer and be happier (or at least they will learn to be quieter near the beasts or pests, or maybe they will end up fighting them for their right to free speech)... "For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love." "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." - Carl Sagan |
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Peppery One Papriko |
Btw, it might make more sense to make per-world logs actually, so maybe rather create the file in the Journal folder of the individual worlds: file oope 0 "creature_conversation.txt" 1 Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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 Sparrow314 |
This sounds really exciting - please post the results of your testing!  |
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