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Can norns even be classified as mammals? Mammals are creatures that have fur/hair, are warm blooded, give birth to live babies, and give off milk. Norns lay eggs, do have fur, are warm blooded but the wiki says nothing about mother norns giving milk to there young. Can they be classified as a monotreme? Even monotreme mammals give milk, but some of them don't have nipples, but instead, milk patches. Sooo, are norns like that?
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SpaceShipRat
  
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Birds lay eggs, are warm-blooded, and don't have milk. Norns are obviously birds! (just don't ask about the fur.) |

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Norns are Shee-made abominations that exist outside of any earthly categorial scheme. |

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Norns are certainly mammalian, and look like them at first glance, but they aren't true mammals. I doubt species with origins off of Earth could be classified under any Earth categories either, even if they fit the definitions exactly.
But now I do wish there were more avian breeds, though...
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I'm just glad nobody's said they're cats yet. ![[nlaugh] [nlaugh]](/images/smilies/emot_laugh.gif) |
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Norns come off as more canine to me, really. 
On a more serious note: If one really had to put norns (and creatures in general, really) into any one real-life classification of animals, I'd actually say they're reptiles. They don't produce milk and don't care for their young (with the exception of the third-party Kai Norn) on top of laying eggs, and furthermore C1 and C2 creatures actually were cold-blooded (C3/DS creatures are a bit more nebulous here). Sure they have hair and norns in particular are furry, but to my knowledge some early mammal-like reptiles did have hair.
Though for the most part I'm with Leporidae. Besides the fact that they were genetically engineered to begin with, they also aren't Earthen animals and any similarities can be chalked up to convergent evolution.
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Classification is one thing. but when it comes to reproduction that's a greater mystery. The wiki says that males give off testosterone, and the females have a uterus, and i know that norns kiss-pop to mate, but how is the full on process done? The world may never know...
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Closest comperation to anything animal like on Earth with mammal and egg laying traits would be Platypus.
Is sort of mammalian but they do lay egg (I think there is some more animals like that, but this always came to mind as theyre one of my fav animals)
But there is Wafuru's C2 Kai Norn breed who act more mammalian,
with the milk feeding (just need to download the Livebirth cob, I apologize for not remembering by who right now.. and there you have it- full mammalian XD)
Norns is created by the alien like Shee's, so
I do agree Norns (Ettin&Grendels alike) is all
alien like - I belive theyre body is build in another
way to work as they do and can't be compared to
the typical ways of nature of anything on our planet Earth.
I think it explains the kiss popping and no need for going to the bathroom is explained,
and not only because to have a mild graphical choice for younger gamers XD
I am unsure but I think Clabs had a graphical pic of the Norns inner working, I might dream up this part, but I think it sort of hinted how and why Norns don't need the bathroom part (but if it is my own idea, then I would think theyre bodies somehow handle anything they been consuming to either it vanish or it just convert to something...hmm |

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Norns were always something like a platypus to me because they have fur but lay eggs.
Regarding the bathroom matter and some other cycles, it is not 100% always scientifically correct, however I still think that the creature series did a great job in simulating life, even without showing how the whole kiss pop thing works ;D As a kid I never questioned why suddenly the female norn was pregnant because she got kissed by a male.
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Ghosthande
    

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Therapsids!
Still on the mammal family tree but another step back from monotremes... they were warm-blooded, egg-laying, and almost certainly furry, but we don't know that they produced milk.
Plus, monotremes start out as "living jelly beans", just like kangaroos and opossums. Norns are far more developed when they hatch. 
Realistically, it doesn't make sense to "shoehorn" an alien animal into the Earth animal classification scheme... if they are not actually related to Earth species, then they don't belong there.
But classification in Creatures is pretty weird... just look at all the C2/C3 species that use the same genus name as their Earth counterparts: tomatoes are Lycopersicon, nuts ("acorns" are Quercus, deathcaps are Amanita, clownfish are Premnas, the list goes on and on. You can't give a genus a name that is already being used within the same kingdom (Earth plants and animals are separate kingdoms). So either:
a) Albian species are truly alien, and in completely different kingdoms from Earth animals and plants... and some nut (the Hand?) decided to give them the same names as their Earth counterparts for "simplicity's" sake.
Or b) they are literal relatives and do belong to the Earth animal and plant kingdoms... either robins, tomatoes, etc. originated on Earth and were brought from there to Albia, or ancient Earth had somehow been populated with Albian species. In that case, who's to say Norns aren't really monotremes or therapsids?
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ylukyun
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I favor the "some nut" explanation, personally. Those Hands are pretty crazy.  |
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evolnemesis
    
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Norngirl wrote: Closest comperation to anything animal like on Earth with mammal and egg laying traits would be Platypus.
Is sort of mammalian but they do lay egg (I think there is some more animals like that, but this always came to mind as theyre one of my fav animals)
But there is Wafuru's C2 Kai Norn breed who act more mammalian,
with the milk feeding (just need to download the Livebirth cob, I apologize for not remembering by who right now.. and there you have it- full mammalian XD)
Norns is created by the alien like Shee's, so
I do agree Norns (Ettin&Grendels alike) is all
alien like - I belive theyre body is build in another
way to work as they do and can't be compared to
the typical ways of nature of anything on our planet Earth.
I think it explains the kiss popping and no need for going to the bathroom is explained,
and not only because to have a mild graphical choice for younger gamers XD
I am unsure but I think Clabs had a graphical pic of the Norns inner working, I might dream up this part, but I think it sort of hinted how and why Norns don't need the bathroom part (but if it is my own idea, then I would think theyre bodies somehow handle anything they been consuming to either it vanish or it just convert to something...hmm
Norns actually DO have to go to the bathroom (urine at least)... Their kidneys make urea and they have a hormone that tells them when their bladder is full, called pistle, then they use their body's water and eliminate it along with some other toxins like ammonia from protein metabolism, and they get cooled at the same time, in fact, a lot of the time you see your norns shivering, it's actually a pee shiver... They've had something like this in all 3 games in the series, though I think C3 Norns are the only ones that have bodily temperature regulation... it seems C1 and C2 norns were cold-blooded.
As for milk, platypuses actually do make milk (but they secrete it from mammary glands that are all over their skin, they don't have nipples). The young nurse by licking them... I imagine Kai norns work much the same way... so they are more like platypuses than other norns... Still, it's likely that the very first precursors to monotremes layed eggs but did not nurse... these would have been classified as some transition between a late therapsid and monotremes, a precursor to the platypus, a hairy creature that already has sweat glands in their skin (norns do sweat, at least in C3...), but that has not modified any of them into mammary glands yet.
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Laura wrote: I'm just glad nobody's said they're cats yet. ![[nlaugh] [nlaugh]](/images/smilies/emot_laugh.gif) Well they're certainly as plentiful and wander everywhere just like cats! ![[nwink] [nwink]](/images/smilies/emot_wink.gif) |
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I like Ghosthande's answer... I tend to think it's a bit of both scenarios there... There could definitely be some relation with Earth life, but there was almost certainly genetic tampering and splicing with a lot of totally alien stuff too, so that it doesn't necessarily fit into our familiar categories and isn't really 'descended' from earth life in the way we would normally think of...
I imagine that the many similarities in some species in the games with our life, and some of the traits that the Shee's creations share with earth creatures could just be explained by the Shee just kind of taking the 'most interesting' bits of DNA they could find from all over the galaxy, and splicing it together to make whatever they wanted, cobbling together whatever effects or traits they wanted to experiment with... Hmm.. I hope they didn't use any Xenomorph DNA...
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