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Help Forum C3/DS Norn Offspring Mutation..Or Error?    Draggy      6/26/2013 So, I have been pretty much letting my norns go wild. So far, I have had two offspring that cannot move...and when the hand grabs them, they only slide with the frontal pose still (I hope that made sense). Is it a common mutation or have I made something go amiss..?   Wee Scrivener Trell     6/26/2013  1 You've got a couple sliders on your hands there luv. It happens. Trell "Holy crap in a casket!"   Sanely Insane RisenAngel Manager     6/26/2013  1 This is what is known as the "slider" mutation. It's a fairly well known mutation, and tends to crop up when breeding things like Amanora's breeds (with all the extra color genes) with normal creatures. It's avoidable if you watch what you breed together, but unfortunately there's not much you can do for the afflicted creature. Edit: Ninja'd. ~ The Realm ~ Risen Angel's Creatures Blog   Wee Scrivener Trell     6/26/2013 Actually, I believe if you have them in a docked world you can give them injections through the C3 Medical Bay. It takes a fair amount of work, but if done right you can nurse them through their lives. Trell "Holy crap in a casket!"   Draggy   6/26/2013 Either way it seems pretty sad So..I am guessing there is no fixes for sliders..?   Wee Scrivener Trell     6/26/2013 Sadly no. There is no way to make them mobile. Trell "Holy crap in a casket!"   Draggy   6/26/2013 Aw that's too bad. Thanks though guys, as long as I know I'm not the only one with the problem ^^;   Wee Scrivener Trell     6/26/2013 If you want, you could send them to me and I'll take care of them? Trell "Holy crap in a casket!"   Draggy   6/26/2013 Sadly, the first one died because I didn't get to him in time. But if you want the other one, sure! It's a shame too..because right when I exported the little guy..his mother was giving him kisses. ;-; Anyhow, he appears to be a Dream/Astro Norn mix. 3rd generation. Should I upload him to adoptions..?   Wee Scrivener Trell     6/26/2013  1 I can PM you my email. Trell "Holy crap in a casket!"   Air Guitarist kezune     6/26/2013 Sure! Just make sure you include everything you have to say about him and explain why he's special. Then people will be more inclined to adopt. Edit: Ninja'd Updated Rehosting Policy[/title]   Malkin Manager     6/26/2013 Where did you get the Dream Norn genome from? They're fairly prone to this kind of mutation. My TCR Norns   Draggy   6/26/2013 I think I know the reason as to why these norns have been suffering. I didn't download the updated genome that apparently somewhat prevents this.   Feddlefew   6/26/2013 Do dream norn hybrids also tend suffer from missing organs? I distinctly remember having a breed that was prone to that, but I forgot what it was...   Sanely Insane RisenAngel Manager     6/26/2013  2 The exact technical reason this happens with Amanora's breeds is that they have a bunch of extra pigment/pigment bleed genes at the end of their genome while lacking the default genes. When such a norn breeds with a normal creature, the gene numbers don't match up sometimes and wind up resulting in things like missing poses or brains. ~ The Realm ~ Risen Angel's Creatures Blog   byebyebue   6/26/2013  1 I always get sad when I get a slider.. Good luck with these little guys..   Tarlia   6/27/2013 You could call it more of an error than a mutation, really. It's a weakness in the way the engine handles genomes with different layous, like Grendel Man explained. I also sometimes got norns that were unable to do anything but walk right from these incompatible genomes, instead of sliders. Creatures 2 had something similar happen if you bred Canny norns with regular norns. I think it might have been for the same reason. Except in C2, you'd either end up with norns with far too few genes - who would die instantly - or worse, norns with far too many genes, who would crash the game upon birth.

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