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 rubberducky  |
Another noob question this week: I bred one of my norns and she conceived (as evidenced in her norn history). Problem is, its an hour and a half later, and she still hasn't given birth. I figured she may have aborted or something when she got sick (histamine A) and I had to give her medication, but she has been unable to conceive since. I tried playing around with her fertility, but still no kiss pop. Nada. Again, her history shoes that she has conceived ("became pregnant"  but no egg was laid.I'm very confused. I tried giving her more estrogen, but should I go the other way and try to inject her with progesterone? Is it possible that she is still pregnant? I just read that injecting progesterone might trigger her to lay her egg...but after an hour and a half? |
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 Sixty Third Karias |
I'm assuming this is Creatures 2 you're talking about? I don't know about that, but I know it does happen in C3/DS. I've got a senile norn who was pregnant as soon as she hit adult age and NEVER gave birth. She's still got a big preggo belly too. I'm sorry I can't help. Have you tried exporting and importing her? -Karias; a bit fruity and gone bananas in the wrong climate!  |
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 NimhsLab |
She is still pregnant, but her egg got stuck. injecting progesterone will induce labor. However, this problem is genetic, so you might not want to breed her again. There is nothing that can make a norn abort. (Whoops, assuming c3.) [chirping and clicking]  Clicks for a winter god! >  |
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rubberducky |
Yeah, its C3. I just injected her with progesterone, but still no baby. Weird thing: If I click on the "egg" in her history, I can actually get to the history page of the unborn fetus and name it (I've never tried doing this before, maybe you can always do that?) It also says that the baby is "in egg" and "not in the world." And it shows a picture of the sky/universe. Creepy. |
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rubberducky |
Shows the crossover points/mutations and everything. |
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 Malkin Manager  |
I think she's still pregnant from last time. Have you looked at her with the hoverdoc's fertilty option? Where is her yellow progesterone line? If it's slowly climbing, that is a normal pregnancy - if it's not climbing, then the pregnancy is not progressing. The other thing you might like to look at, with the X-Ray agent, is how healthy her uterus is. If her uterus is at 0% or is very unhealthy, the genes she has for pregnancy won't work. You might like to try some PregyCandy to induce labour. My TCR Norns |
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 Sanely Insane RisenAngel Manager |
First off, it might be helpful to say what game this is - different games have different ways of handling things. In all three games, progesterone is the chemical that actually makes females lay their eggs. It's quite possible that your female here isn't able to produce enough of it naturally, and in that case injecting her with it should get her to lay it. If she doesn't lay her egg no matter how much progesterone you pump into her, the most likely cause is that her egg-laying receptor mutated. In C3/DS, you can still force her to lay by selecting her, opening up the CAOs Command Line (shift + ctrl + C) and typing in the following:
And then hitting enter. This will make the egg-laying script run and make the female pop out the egg no matter what her genes are like. You might have to hit it several times if the first time doesn't go through, however. If this isn't C3/DS, then the female's probably stuck with that egg inside her for the rest of her life if giving her more progesterone didn't do the trick (unless there's a COB that forces egglaying). No matter what the game, you probably shouldn't let that female breed again. The last thing a stable population needs is creatures unable to contribute to it. Edit: And I'm ninja'd spectacularly. Risen Angel's Creatures Blog |
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rubberducky |
Thanks everyone. Four progesterone injections later, she had the baby. Of course, she is my coolest norn-looks like Barney, solid purple, Grendel tail--and not a good breeder. Too bad. |
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Malkin Manager |
To preserve uterine health, you must keep your norn away from Heavy Metals, Antigen 0, and Antigen 1. You might like to inject your norns with prostaglandin to heal organs when they become sick in the future. My TCR Norns |
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 Pankypie |
I had this problem before too that could not corrected after numerous progesterone shots. I happened to have the Eggernator agent which has a function to extract the egg from a pregnant norn, so I used that. Good to know about the CAOS fix though. |
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 Tarlia |
Progesterone level is what triggers the growing belly sprites in C3/DS, so if a norn gets pregnant but her belly stays flat, it's safe to assume something is wrong with the gene that controls progesterone production. If the belly grows but she never lays the egg, it's the egg laying gene that's broken. Both pop up fairly frequently I've found. What you need to be careful with is checking the origin of this gene. If it came from her father originally, then he can spread it across an entire population and eventually you'll have a bunch of females who can't breed. You shouldn't breed her child either unless you've made sure it doesn't have the offending gene. |
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 Prodigal Sock Ghosthande |
If they can't breed naturally, I don't think there's too much chance of them taking over the gene pool without assistance. ![[ntongue]](/images/smilies/emot_tongue.gif "[ntongue]") A female who has regular genes won't get a stuck pregnancy just because her future offspring has the mutation, and it will "die out" with each female who does have it, because they can't produce the next generation.The only real danger is of the male carriers propagating it through unaffected females... but that could actually be useful if you want to save the type, because it's possible to "breed back" to Norns with healthy genes and get a healthier mix of traits.  |
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 Peppery One Papriko |
To sum it up: it is the kind of problem which solves itself, the question is just how. Either the gene does not propagate properly, leaving behing a healthy population or they simply all die out. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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Tarlia |
Ghosthande wrote: Yes, it was the male carriers I meant, obviously. If you don't know about them you could end up with a lot of female offspring that can't breed, and new generations of male carriers, etc. Taking over the whole population is maybe a bit overly dramatic, but it's definitely something to keep in mind and keep in check. |
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