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katonas

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5/21/2010 | |
Help me prevent more tears from my 6yr old daughter please. I bought her creatures 2 at a carboot and it seems to run ok on XP.
1 Is there a way to always give a rewarding tickle or bottom slap without giving the opposite by mistake ? - her creature seems to constantly be on the move so its very easy to click on the wrong body part. Her first 2 creatures have received many mixed messages (the first has been taken out of the game). Her current baby seems to want to sink to the bottom of the sea all the time.
2 How quickly does a tickle or slap need to be given to be associated with the action that preceded it.
3 Why doesn't her creature learn from its own experience ? Surely being under water without oxygen should teach you to avoid jumping in eventually.
4 Are there some actions that cannot be reinforced ? I tried tickling everytime it wasn't moving to slow it down, but it didn't seem to have any effect except to encourage the facial expressions it had at the time.
5 Does the Strategies and Secrets book help with basic advice like this ? Are there any web resources that give similar advice ?
6 I can't find a section on this site devoted to beginners like myself, and my daughter. Is there a site that caters more for beginners ?
7 How long will it be before her creature starves to death.
8 What do I do if a Grendal suddenly appears ? My daughter is already attached to her creation. Is the hand that pushes enough to push a Grendal ? It takes a heck of a lot of pushing to keep her creature away from the water.
9 How do I get the lift near the water to stop, so her creature can get in, and go back down to where the computers are, and begin to learn some words. I can get the lift to move by clicking on the tiny arrows on the right.
Many thanks for any help. I would love my daughter to get more happiness than tears from this game. |
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ylukyun
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5/21/2010 | |
When the health bar (bottom right of the window) is getting to one, that means the creature is almost starving. It starts flashing red when the creature is starving, and you need to get some food to it quick.
There are some COBs (object add-ins) that remove or protect against the grendel, and put bridges over the ocean/water bodies. Creatures 2 default norns aren't very smart, and teaching them doesn't work very well. Learning that lack of oxygen is bad seems to be beyond most creatures' capacities, even the more mentally endowed ones.
There are some walkthroughs and FAQs out there, but I don't know the best. The creatures wiki has a lot of reliable information, and can point you towards COBs that will help improve gameplay or keep norns alive. Click to go there
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Malkin
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5/21/2010 | |
Hi katonas, best of luck with Creatures 2. Creatures fans have developed items and other varieties of norns to put in the game to help make it easier.
The genome which ships with C2 isn't the best and would often give norns which suffered from One Hour Stupidity Syndrome.
Tickles and slaps should be given out soon after the offending action, so that the creature can associate the action with the reward or punishment.
I don't think 'standing still' is an action that can be reinforced.
There are various COBs (Creatures Objects) which can be downloaded to make the game easier, like the Porcupine Puffer Fish, which is said to rescue drowning creatures (I don't play C2).
Check out The Truth About Grendels for some grendel-taming tips.
I hope this helps your daughter, C2 must be really frustrating for a six year old!
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katonas

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5/21/2010 | |
Thankyou both so much for your help. I shall look at your links with great interest, and probably download a clever norn. I've ordered the village (I think thats what it was called) based in a forest. I've read that creatures 3 is easier, so I might give that a go as well. |

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5/22/2010 | |
Welcome to the Creatures community! Hopefully I can provide some information to help you and your daughter out, although it looks like some very helpful responses have already been posted!
1.) It sometimes is difficult to tickle/slap at the right moment 100% of the time. I generally aim for the head when I want to give a tickle, and expect that any contact close to the ground will result in a slap. Once learned, the verbal commands "yes" and "no" are much more accurate.
2.) I'm not sure of the exact time frame for rewarding or punishing certain behaviors, but the closer to the behavior, the more learning will occur. I generally think that a tickle, slap, or verbal reinforcement should take place within 2-4 seconds of the action to have the most effect. Repeated reinforcement can also be effective.
3.) As Malkin pointed out, this behavior could be the result of OHSS. I believe one of the official C2 downloads solves this issue... It may be the first Life Kit, or the genome update. Some Norns also do random things that make little sense: I have a Norn who loves to walk into walls even though it causes her some pain. I guess they all have their own personalities!
4.) Walking or staying still are some behaviors that really can not be reinforced. However, you can try to encourage these behaviors by saying "stop" or "come." I haven't played Creatures 2 in a bit, so there may be other vocabulary words that make more sense, but hopefully these will help! Saying "stop" followed by a tickle or "yes" should hopefully yield the result that you're looking for!
5.) I own this book, although I haven't taken a look at it in a long time. It does go into a lot of detail about the game, and has a lot of useful information. If you don't already have access to the main manual, it can be found here as a PDF. There aren't too many sites devoted to basic information, although the Creatures Wiki is a great place to go!
6.) As with the previous question, I think your best bet would be the Creatures Wiki. The manual and in-game help may also offer you tips geared more towards beginners.
7.) It usually takes some time for a Norn to starve to death. You should, however, always make sure that there is a nearby food source and encourage him or her to eat at an early age. Norns who have been rewarded for eating usually end up eating on their own as they grow up.
8.) In Creatures 2, the only Grendel who exists lives on the other side of the world. It is possible for him to traverse Albia to encounter any Norns living near the incubator, but this would be a rarity. The hand itself can not really push Grendels away, but you might be able to guide your Norn using verbal cues like "come" or "get hand" while moving away from a Grendel.
9.) Lifts stop at each level where there is a stop: You'll notice that there are call buttons nearby. A lift must stop completely on one of these levels for a Norn to enter or exit the lift. You can then either click the green buttons to go up or down, or click the call button on the level you would like to go to. The trick is then to get a Norn to follow you, rather than traveling up and down in the lift again!
I never played Creatures Village, but it will probably be more enjoyable for your daughter. Judging by the reviews, it's a lot more maneuverable and easier to understand for younger gamers, but still provides similar fun that is in the rest of the Creatures games. It looks like the only drawback is that there is no print manual and no tutorial, so you might want to print something out before playing it for the first time to avoid any frustration.
I personally wouldn't recommend Creatures 3 for your daughter, since it's a pretty complex game. I found it to the most difficult, simply because there is so much going on. I'd actually recommend the original Creatures game, known as either Creatures or Creatures 1. It's tricky to get the original disc to work on newer computers, but you can look into getting a digital download at GOG. Creatures 1 is bundled with Creatures 2 as The Albian Years.
In any case, hopefully this helps you out! I hope you and your daughter enjoy playing Creatures!
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Malkin
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5/22/2010 | |
Docking Station, which you can either download for free or get with Creatures Exodus (C3 and DS) doesn't have any grendels, which might be a good idea for your daughter.
You might also like to check out the C1 tutorial video, or have a look around youtube for C3 and CV gameplay.
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ratkinzluver33
   
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5/22/2010 | |
For your grendel problem I would seiously try to find the "Forcefield" agent for C2 I believe someone might have made it. If that doesn't work Docking Station might be a better fit for your daughter It's a LOT less frustrating. Docking Station can be found here.
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5/23/2010 | |
Also useful for Grendel-Prevention in C3 is the Grettin Switch.
Or you simply take the eggs and drop them in water. The eggs have a stone-like texture and spawn at the left of the trapdoor in the Jungle.
Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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5/23/2010 | |
Yeah, Creatures 2 isn't exactly a game that I would recommend for a six year old. I was twelve when I first started playing and I was still mighty frustrated with it--and had already been playing Creatures 1 for years. As others have mentioned, C2 is the hardest in the series.
One of the worst problems in the game is OHSS--One Hour Stupidity Syndrome, where a Norn's brain basically turns to mush after a while and they forget how to eat and sleep. I would highly recommend downloading the Canny Norn genome, it's free and should help your Norns stay sharp.
As far as falling in the ocean, that's just basic Norn limitations. They cannot recognize room types, so they can't think to themselves "I should stay away from water", because they can't actually see the water. Your best bet is probably to try teaching a Norn to "run cliffedge" to keep them away from the docks. Object Pack 1, which is free to download, also comes with a helpful pufferfish that will toss drowning Norns back on dry land.
One thing you need to understand in order to play successfully is that although they can speak, Norns have about as much intelligence as your average garden variety ant. Probably less. Their intelligence is mostly limited to the kinds of concepts they can express through speech--so while you probably won't be able to teach a Norn to stand still or avoid water, you can reward him for doing things like "come left" or "look hand". He's just not smart enough to understand everything himself, and requires somebody to look after him.
Sadly there is no way to always reward a Norn, you just have to be good at aiming, and with quick reflexes. C2 Norns are the worst in this respect because they're virtually always moving. A reward should be valid as long as the Norns' mind is still on what it did. I've found that it's easiest for me to ask a Norn "what" to make sure it's really doing what I think it's doing, or at least still thinking about that action. Alternately, you can simply tell the Norn "yes" to reward them, although I don't think that carries quite as much weight as actually tickling the Norn.
Also, I really wouldn't worry about Grendels. C2 Grendels aren't "vicious" at all, the game packaging may say so but I have never had a C2 Grendel hit my Norns, ever. If you teach your Grendel to talk, he'll probably tell you how lonely he is and how much he wants to "come Grendel"! The Grendel in your world can probably use the companionship of a few Norns after spending most of his life in a volcano with nothing to eat and nobody to talk to.
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katonas

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5/25/2010 | |
Wow, thankyou all for even more help. My 6yr old daughter (and now her two older sisters, 7 and eight) are loving creatures village, but are playing it at quite a superficial level. It has pretty chunky graphics, and despite being struck by lightning on countless occasions, soaked in water for fun by my children (even after discovering this was a form of punishment) they continue to grow. The boy norn has been dressed in most of the clothes etc from the girl norn's bedroom to their great amusement.
However, I now want to get back to creatures 2 to play it myself. I shall sneak onto the computer when it gets dark, and use all your tips to rear my own creatures 2 norns (perhaps with the help of a superior genome and the odd puffer fish). I can see myself trying creatures exodus if I get used to creatures 2. Now I'm even looking forward to meeting a Grendel (and I'll feel sorry for it) |
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5/25/2010 | |
Sorry that I haven't posted here before, but I'm so glad your kids are enjoying Creatures Village now. Creatures 2 can be frustrating for anyone, let alone a six year old! It can just be really buggy at times.
Good luck with your own Creatures 2 endeavours though! Despite all the frustration and all its bugs you can learn to love it, and there's always COBs available to come to your aid, as the others have suggested. There's an extensive list of C2 COBs on the Creatures Wiki that you might like to browse through: Category: C2 COBs.
One of the COBs I find invaluable is the Game State Controller, (included in the Creatures 2 Object Pack 2) which bypasses the need to collect all the pickups. With this, you can instantly have some really useful things, like the Science Kit, (vital for a syringe of Metabolism Transplant and Defibrillant, when a Norn needs resuscitating, after deep sea diving in the ocean) and the Infinite Scroll option.
Another essential download is Don's Pick-Me-Up COB. When injected it enables the selected Norn to be picked up and moved - great for getting your Norns out of tight fixes, or if you're just tired of trying to get them to go where you want them to!
And actually, while I remember, the Eat You Stupid Norn COB is a Godsend too for forcing your Norns to eat, especially if OHSS sets in. This way your Norns won't become starving.  |
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