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Jabber

Jabber



  2/6/2016

Papriko wrote:
So basically you first say that you are ready to do this whole tedious boring task. When people tell you what they don't like about it, you come up with a solution, but say you are not gonna apply it because it is a tedious boring task? Seems legit.


Boring and tedious don't go hand-in-hand. Archival work isn't boring; my mandatory Speech college course isn't tedious. The difference between "tedious, but interesting" and "tedious and boring" is the difference between me being willing to do something, in my free time, for no personal gain, or not.

I'm not gonna apply that potential solution because I'm not gonna do this in the first place. I never said I was. It has always just been an idea that I wanted to discuss.

SpaceShipRat wrote:
I guess maybe make the list public, and we should try to go through it, and use it to update the wiki, in some way that clearly marks which mods are available? Though that's always in flux too.

In the end it always goes back to that. We need a way to get mods -> there's the lost download detectives thread -> it's impossible to go through and we'd need a categorized version -> we have the wiki -> the wiki is a puzzle to manage and update.

bleh.


Yeah. I thought I had it all figured out when I first had this website idea, but now it seems to keep looping back to "update the wiki on a massive scale", which I know absolutely nothing about, and which would be a workload several magnitudes larger than the original idea. Part of the appeal is its simplicity; I could set it up on a single pastebin page if I really wanted to.

 
SpaceShipRat

SpaceShipRat



  2/6/2016

Well the situation seems to be this:
There's a thread for people LOOKING for agents, but people who can OFFER the agents have to check it constantly.

I can't be the only one without the time to look at every post and hunt through my archive every time. Not to mention the work gets done all over again when a second person asks for the same agent

*thinks furiously*
Perhaps we could just do that then, all of us who have databases or disks of various agents. Just document everything, and have these masterlists somewhere (like the first post of the download detectives thread?).

*is finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel :D *
So, then, a person looking for an agent can use the lost download detectives thread, but also ping the people they see as having that agent!

So if the agent is actually available online, someone on the thread will point to it, but everyone says it's not online, the people who own it have been notified and can help, even if we're not checking the thread constantly.

Seems like the perfect solution to me! (...so please shoot me down gently [nskull]).

 
Jabber

Jabber



  2/6/2016  1

I think the lost downloads thread just needs more traffic, so it can be more useful. Call it "crowdsourcing" the searching of valid downloads for creatures stuff, which would eventually build up a kind of "archive" of places to get rare things. Maybe the OP could be updated as links to obscure sites/Wayback Machine snapshots were found.
 
Malkin

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  2/7/2016  1

I've honestly found that the skills I've picked up over the decade or so that I've been editing the Creatures Wiki have been transferable to other research projects, if that helps any. It's increased my confidence with knowing about Creative Commons licensing and being able to critically read Wikipedia.

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Norngirl

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  2/7/2016  2

Like Laura,I also rather want my stuff staying on my own site (as it IS still alive and running - I will at some point update more too,not been able for my bad internet & real life)
I am kinda tired to see repetive actions of my stuff snatched and hosted by other sites,that didn't even try to contact me in the first place (yes I seen that happen and it is annoying) and even if some people think it is a nice action for not getting the file lost (I can understand that part,and that itself is a nice thought) , but re-hosting files around without permission and that the original site still is running is just...no,it's not right for the creators,also they miss out the updates for the files too that exist on the main original site as well.

So basically,my wish is that my stuff stay on my site,as far I know,it won't go down anytime soon.

EDIT: And yes,I know you said,no actual files,but still I want it tobe made clear-also,if they want something,they still could ask me (for the files I now I have to re-upload) and/or go to my site with the files that is there.

Im not going into the whole discussion as you could do this or that,
I just say I don't want my things included in your'e plan ^^'

if you did like Sparkleblue's amazing "http://www.seeyou7.net/creatures " (wich sadly is down)
I would be ok with it,but I guess that was allmost like Laura suggested,or so it sounded to me when I readed it.
But then again,it would be a lot work,and perhaps stray away from what you had in mind..
Either way - I say,spare the archiving for files that really is lost for real
acient old and hard to come by agents/breeds etc that people know you can't find online anymore and the creator is not contactable at all - and then I mean you can't even contact them on other site sources outside creatures or in any other form,theyre just not around anymore or even not interessted in creatures.
Eh I guess you get my point,but thats just my thoughts on it.

Anyhow- I also agree with Trellydawn -Indeed,people should really respect others wishes.
I also think Papriko and Razgris point it out good allready too.
Edit:I typed this right after Trellydawn, So I haven't read trough the others that posted while I typed this.

 
Jabber

Jabber



  2/7/2016  1

It's just an idea, Norngirl. I made this thread to talk about the idea and see where it went over the course of a discussion with the rest of the CC, which I was hoping would turn out better than me repeating myself to people who seem to think I don't care what they think, despite the fact that this thread exists and that I made it. If I was already set on doing it, I wouldn't have stopped to diddle around talking about it, I would've just done it. But I haven't, and I never said I was gonna, and after the response I've gotten, does anyone seriously think I will?

@Malkin, that's true.

 

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