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 sam999   |
silvak wrote: Version five is AWESOME! I liked your idea of moving the pond fitting in with Malkin's ideas yet keeping it all the same. Gumbo wrote: Great idea. Musical toys have often been in creatures games. Gumbo wrote: Good, fits in with the steampunk look. Is it some kind of vendor producing teacup "potions"? Gumbo wrote: Great idea, sort of like the mecha-grendel from the hardman norn pack? Only one question, why stick with a cat? Gumbo wrote: Could maybe be something like this? Gumbo wrote: Good idea. Very very good idea. Gumbo wrote: Not a good idea for two reasons sorry. One, it would have the same problem as the electronic butler, trasporting the desert rocks around despite their uselessness, two it's christmas-themed. This room is meant to be arctic not just another Christmas metaroom. Ba humbug.  Thanks for the ideas Gumbo and sorry about the ba humbug. |
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 Malkin Manager |
It could be a TikTok doll instead.  To "remember Ron and Eve" is to remember the average norn when creating the room - to keep what they need in mind. My TCR Norns |
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 silvak |
It's true, this isn't a christmas room, there are a couple already. A mecha santa most certainly wouldn't come standard, but if one could be made, once everything else is done, then it could be compiled separately. A steampunk santa........CRAZY! The rest of those ideas were spot on Gumbo! Keep them coming!! Thank you Malkin, for once again spelling things out for me. And yes, everything should be coded/categorized/classified for the average norn. Lost Content, help find it a home! |
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Malkin Manager |
What about the roast turkey vending a single wishbone toy after it's been eaten? What would the properties of the tree sap be? My TCR Norns |
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silvak |
Tree sap was often used by native americans similar to modernday gum. Reducing hunger, and giving you something to do, but not really supplying a lot of nutrition. I could see it being something very similar, or to basicly be fruit. I like the wish bone toy idea! I would think it wouldn't last too long after it is used/played with. Lost Content, help find it a home! |
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sam999 |
Malkin wrote: After watching that video I agree. A TikTok toy would be really cool. silvak wrote: After a quick Google-image-search for "stempunk santa" I would have to agree with you. Some people have too much time and photoshop on their hands but still make really cool stuff. Malkin wrote: Small object which bounces around then biodegrades so they won't clutter up the game? Seems like an allright toy. Malkin wrote: A food probably. Rich in fat and sugar. Also, I had a new toy idea. A telsa coil. It sits around and sometimes crackles with electricity. When pushed, it shoots sparks sometimes zapping the norn. It's harmless but fun. |
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 Chaotic Spriter mea |
I'm still willing to help, I've just been busy with packing & moving. I'm still going to be busy with that for the rest of the week, but after that I can help with sprites once again. I will warn you though, it's going to be a bit before the internet gets hooked back up again, so I won't be able to post any sprites I make next week. So if you have some sprites that you want me to work on, make a list so I can work on it while I waiting for the return of the internet. Reading thru this topic, I've got several sprite ideas for the transporters, in both steampunk & Nordic styles, mostly Nordic though. I'm really glad to see someone wanting to use those sprites from Caos of the Creatures Realm.  I had based those on radishes, but they can be used as turnips as well. Altho I will admit that I will have fun making turnip sprites too.  I'll see about expanding the collection of cold weather plant & food sprites for that blog. The wishbone toy can easily be added to the pile of bones project I've already got on my list of sprites to make. I plan on working on those next week while I'm offline, so hopefully they should be done when I get back online. |
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sam999 |
mea wrote: Here's the list or at least my take on it: Critters 1. Snowy Owl 2. White furry doozers 3. White furry grazers 4. Chickadees 5. Some kind of small silvery fish if we do go with the pond Plants 1. Pine trees 2. More pine trees 3. Even more pine trees 4. A few more pine trees 5. Guess. It starts with pine and is a sort of tree Gadgets & Machinery 1. Lifts and/or transporters in either arctic or steampunk style 2. Buttons for controlling lifts if lifts are used only 3. Steampunk Snowblower 4. Steampunk metal doors like the one in the C2 airlock 5. Steampunk-style Vendors Toys 1. Clockwork toy helicopter 2. Bouncy balls 3. Telsa coil 4. Pinecones which split to reveal edible seeds 5. Clockwork toy robot of some sort. Maybe use some of this guy's work for inspiration. I got my avatar picture from his work Food 1. Turnips 2. Edible drippy sap 3. Roast turkey with bones after being eaten 4. Hot chocolate 5. Tea Assorted Stuff 1. A version of the shee statue in thick wintery robes with snow on it 2. Snowflakes 3. Stuff for the room background 4. Snowdrifts 5. Room Fav-place icon Also, good luck with moving! |
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Malkin Manager |
It might be best to split those sprites up in order of priority/likelihood of use. A few of the ideas still aren't firmly set in place - we don't know how to code them, for example. It's not fair to mea to ask her to make all those sprites, especially when the ideas are still airy-fairy. If we all pitch in a bit, it'll be easier. For the turkey, we could use the C1 turkey and just have the wishbone as an extra/new thing. My TCR Norns |
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Chaotic Spriter mea |
I can't guarantee anything with the animals, since I haven't done much animation, but I will try. The doozer & the fish will probably be the easiest ones to do. Without knowing the exact size of the room background, it will be a little bit harder to make the larger stuff for it, but simple things like a collection of pipes, rocks, gears, ice boulders & other stuff that can be added to various parts of the background shouldn't be too hard to make. Something I am curious about, have you considered giving this room the option to change slightly with the seasons? Like maybe the background could change to a slightly less snowy background during the summer? This could add the option of having seasonal food sources, such as small berry or nut bushes that drop fruit & seeds during the summer & fall. Edit: Thanks Malkin, yes, a prioritized list of which sprites to work on will definitely be very helpful. The 29th is the last day I know for sure that I'll be able to get online, so if the list could be ready by then, that would really be helpful. |
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 Prodigal Sock Ghosthande |
4. Chickadees Pine grosbeaks, even. If you're going to have that many pine trees, and pine cones, crossbills or grosbeaks are a natural choice for small birds. Plus they've got a bit of color on them.  |
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Chaotic Spriter mea |
If you are planning on having a snowy owl, have you thought about what they will eat? Are most of the animals in here going to be birds or are you going to have some rodents as well? Maybe the rodent could collect & horde the seeds in a nest & when the nest is hit, it could spew out some of those seeds? If you want, I can research conifer forests & build a number of different plants & critters based on what would normally be found in those forests. |
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sam999 |
mea wrote: That inevitably leaves us to finally to decide if we are going with the pond or not. What say you? mea wrote: That could really prove helpful. mea wrote: No I hadn't thought of it before but it is a pretty good idea. Sounds hard to do however. mea wrote: I'd assume that we need the background stuff, I.E. arctic shee statue, pine trees, snowdrifts and clockwork most. But I'm not really sure. You should probably ask Malkin. Ghosthande wrote: Maybe so. Personally, I prefer chickadees however. I think they are cute. |
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 Liam |
Sam, why don't you make some sprites and contribute? You've got a big project here with some complex ideas--you might want to start getting some stuff done so that other people don't have to handle it all. And the more experience you get, the better you'll be, and you'll then be able to contribute more than just ideas -- ideas are great, but they're a dime a dozen in comparison to sprites or code. - Liam / K'aeloree Spellhold Studios, a Baldur's Gate II, Neverwinter Nights and Oblivion Modding Community |
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Malkin Manager |
I think that any critter sprites should be the lowest priority, as I for one do not have the ability to code critters. We should keep it simple - it's better to do a simple thing well for starters - we can always add in stuff later. Until we know what the toys are supposed to do, there's similarly no point in asking mea to draw sprites for them either. In some ways, it's difficult to make code without sprites, or sprites without code to know what they're supposed to do. Similarly, I feel the furred Shee sprite, although it would be cool, would be difficult to pull off well - a simple grey toning of the sprite and draping it in snow would convey that it's in a cold environment, imply that the environment has become like that at a later date than Shee settlement (plot for the story?) and be easier to do. We should be working within our abilities here. Keep It Simple, Sweetheart! The less we ask for help to 'please fix our code! please make us sprites! :.(', the more self-respect we have, and the more we can challenge ourselves as coders, spriters etc. My TCR Norns |
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silvak |
Good points Liam and Malkin. "KISS" is a rule I always try to live by, even if it's unsuccessfully. I think the priorities for now are the background, and teleporter buttons. Ideas for the rest is still great but we really need a room to put it all in. I'm with Malkin, a snow covered shee statue would be much easier and still show that it's cold. Sorry for my long absence, but thankfully the holidays are over. Lost Content, help find it a home! |
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Malkin Manager |
Does the background needs to be done first, so that everything else can be scaled to fit? Keeping an eye out for free pine tree clipart, like this one - stuff published prior to 1923 should be out of copyright in the US, which generally has the strictest copyright laws, thanks to Mickey Mouse. Teleporter buttons would be good, possibly making them look like tesla coils - I assume we can easily repurpose some of the DS teleporter effects to look Tesla-purple, so no need to worry about that. We need up-down teleporters for the lifts and a different-looking in-out teleporter. Until we know more precisely what we want to have in the world, and what exactly they do, there's not much point in asking for sprites to be made. The wishbone toy would be a one-push item, it would then break and decay. My TCR Norns |
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Liam |
I honestly don't know why you're using a poll to decide something like the pond, but voted, and here's my 2c: The pond is useless, and makes a lot of extra work. It means you have to add fish and underwater plants. This will suck up valuable time that should be devoted to the rest of the room. A pond is both useless and dangerous to norns. There's absolutely no reason to add one. - Liam / K'aeloree Spellhold Studios, a Baldur's Gate II, Neverwinter Nights and Oblivion Modding Community |
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 Mousienorn |
Liam wrote: To be honest I would have to agree, anyways this is a arctic Metaroom, If there were a pond it would probably be iced over, (Unless you want to add in a whole ocean) And seeing that, (No offense to those who can Program, Make sprites) we don't have the capibility of making many critters and sea plants, the lake would be an eye sore. Just A Barren lake with one or two fishies in it. The Best sprites I could do would have to be done in paint, Like this one. So consider this a concept image for the helicopter ball.  Nornz Rule! "I'm always watching you. " The Creatures ClinicThe Norn dating Agency! Make sure to go to the  |
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silvak |
There's a poll?!?! *runs off to check* For those who haven't been following, as there are 3 pages of discussions, the pond was to be ice covered and shoot creatures across the surface of the ice. Having any sort of flora or fauna wasn't entirely discussed. In one of my concepts I had a tunnel running through the pond, so there wouldn't be much room for anything. I had been toying with the idea of simply making it a vendor with the "fish" invisible to creatures behind the transparent tunnel wall or under the ice if the tunnel didn't go through it. It would give the illusion of a working ecosystem with out all the headache. My original Chione concept had an ocean, but it was decided it wasn't needed and would be a lot of extra work. A pond wasn't really needed either, but the idea of norns sliding across the ice seemed kind of neat. What goes underneath the ice was still up in the air......(or under the water?) Malkin, I didn't know about that copy right stuff. Thanx for sharing, and we really do need free clip art of pine trees!! The background need to be done so things have places to go. Plus it might help with some scaling, but in the mean time, too big is better than too small. Things look better shrunk than enlarged. Mousienorn, I love th heli-ball! I've done a lot of work in paint, roughly 50%. So not to worry. As a concept it's spot on. Can I offer some ideas?......Steampunk, uses a lot of bronze, coppers and gold. Blacks work too, so a tweek in colors might help it fit the room a bit better. Also you could experiment adding steam vent (chimney) or maybe a gear poking out? Anywho....... Since I have so much to do, and I keep putting it off, I've decided to work on a little bit of everything on my list, every day. So this morning I sat down and worked on the snow covered shee statue. I shifted the yellow hue to a cyan and then reduced saturation of the whole thing. I accentuated some of the cracks to give it an older weathered look and then added snow.......the snow might need to be redone, but you get my drift. Lost Content, help find it a home! |
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Mousienorn |
Just Seeing that we are looking for pine trees, I found one Here it's at the End of the post I'll Keep looking for more though. Nornz Rule! "I'm always watching you. " The Creatures ClinicThe Norn dating Agency! Make sure to go to the |
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Prodigal Sock Ghosthande |
Slippery ice might be difficult for Creatures, which don't respond to things like FRIC the way regular agents do--I have something similar in the works for Bai-Loki, and my gut tells me it probably won't be a fun coding experience. |
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silvak |
Great point, Ghosthande! Thanx Mousienorn! Lost Content, help find it a home! |
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Mousienorn |
Your Welcome Also, Ghosthande made a good point, It's Hard to make creatures respond to friction the way you want them to. I have seen surtan "Sled" agents that take a norn down a slope and stop on flat ground. The only problem is I haven't ever seen smooth slanted Ice unless it was carved. If they were sliding of a Ice Burg they could slide down with one of those agents. They would still be a heck of a lot of work to program. Nornz Rule! "I'm always watching you. " The Creatures ClinicThe Norn dating Agency! Make sure to go to the |
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Prodigal Sock Ghosthande |
Lol, there are sled agents already? Where are these? Something like an iceberg actually shouldn't be very hard; making a vehicle with low friction that can slide around would be just as easy as making any other object that can slide around, and any Norns "riding" on it (read: inside the vehicle) wouldn't need to have their own FRIC change because they'd just be carried along. |
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sam999 |
Liam wrote: Tried it. My version of the shee statue is waiting for approval to this site's image gallery and I tried to photoshop a grazer screenshot to add white fur. But it isn't done or posted yet. Also,this guy made a free 3D model of a telsa coil. Webmaster: Tristan Stewart wrote: I assume we can use the name "Tristan Stewart" in the readme and I might name one of the shee scientists in the story it. |
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silvak |
Nice work on the statue Sam! Lost Content, help find it a home! |
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sam999 |
silvak wrote: Thanks. With any luck I'll have the grazer up soon. |
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Chaotic Spriter mea |
Yay! Got the internet back earlier than expected. Also got the first sprite for possible use in the background finished & posted on Caos of the Creatures Realm. Just a simple rock, but it's a start. What the next one will be, even I'm not sure yet.... @ Ghosthande - the only sled like agent that I can recall seeing is the leaves of a certain plant in the Norngarden. I've seen a norn slide down the slope on one of those leaves, but I've only seen it happen once or twice & I wasn't sure if I was seeing things or not when I saw it. @ silvak & Mousienorn - avoid true (0,0,0) black if you want to use black in the helicopter ball. True black will just go transparent on the sprites in the game. |
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silvak |
You are right Mea, true black should be avoided unless you want it to be transparent in game. Great work on the rock by the way! I can easily see it poking out of the snow! Lost Content, help find it a home! |
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Chaotic Spriter mea |
Thanks silvak, comments & feedback on the sprites that I make really help me keep the sprites coming. The next rock is finished as well, I originally was going to turn it into a possible teleporter for the room, but I couldn't think up a design to carve into it. Maybe once the design for the room icon is figured out, I could use that as the design to carve into the rock, does anyone have ideas for possible designs? |
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Malkin Manager |
Snowflake My TCR Norns |
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sam999 |
Love the rocks and sorry I haven't been posting as much as normal. More exams. This is also the reason I haven't got the white-furred grazer picture up yet. mea wrote: Cogwheel with a snowflakelike pattern on it? |
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Malkin Manager |
The metaroom symbol needs to be simple and iconic - it wouldn't be large enough to support a distinct pattern. My TCR Norns |
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sam999 |
mea wrote: The Lugleaf? Yes I've seen norns using them for sleds sometimes. Seems like that trick of coding can be done after all. Malkin wrote: In that case a snowflake does seem best if somewhat of a cliche. Also, a few questions. Have we settled on what the room's bird-critter should be? Chickadees or Pine Grosbeaks? And in either case could recolored C3 robin sprites be of use? And should we do the pine trees as plants in the foreground or parts of the background that make seeds for norns to eat. |
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