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Docking Station Won't Run Undocked   
Lurhstaap

Lurhstaap
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  5/21/2017

I'd REALLY like to be able to make undocked worlds. My computer is small and weak by modern standards so every extra agent and metaroom matters when trying to keep lag down in long-running worlds. (My fresh worlds run fine - it's the long term where lag builds up, and the more agents/metarooms in the world, overall, the worse it gets faster, even if I ject 7 or kill hots known troublesome agents like bacteria and bramboo.)

But whenever I try to make a non-docked world, for some inexplicable reason, it fails and crashes the game. The error messages it throws out before dying have to do with various .cos files, including some it really shouldn't even be attempting to call for an undocked freshly made unmodded world. Docked games run perfectly fine. C1toDS runs without any apparent problems so long as I make the world docked as well; undocked + C1toDS experiences the same problem as plain undocked (and undocked didn't work before I installed C1toDS, also).

I have the remaster patch and all the other typical patches people usually suggest as the first go-to for fixing this kind of issue. I have also reinstalled the program more than once, including very recently, to no avail. Any idea what's going on here and if I can fix it?


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KittyTikara

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  5/21/2017

I'll assume you've tried installing it into the my documents folder. Can you give an example of one of the errors? Maybe I can find another thread with the same error. Also make sure your machine.cfg file is pointing to where the games are installed. I've had it mess up on me before... though it messed up docked worlds.

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Lurhstaap

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  5/21/2017

Yeah. Honestly, my machine doesn't like that solution anyway. I'm using Windows 10 and I have no idea if that makes a difference or not, but putting it in Documents tends to make things worse rather than better in general. But I did give it a shot just in case.

This is the first of several extremely similar errors that pop up. If I bypass them by ignoring or similar it continues to load, but then when it's full, it crashes instead of opening the world.



It's clearly trying to spawn Balloon Bugs, et cetera, and getting upset because there's no valid metaroom to put them in. But why is it trying to do that in the first place?? It's an undocked world.


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KittyTikara

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  5/21/2017  1

That's really weird. Do you have a balloon bug.cos file or any other C3 cos files in your DS bootstrap folder? I've made the mistake of adding the patches to DS instead of C3 before. If not, try finding a "machine.cfg" in the main DS folder and opening it in notepad. The first few lines might look something like ""Auxiliary 1 Bootstrap Directory" "C:\\Users\\Username\\Documents\\Creatures\\Creatures 3\\Bootstrap\\"" If they don't match the folder you have C3 installed, changing it to the proper path might help. Hopefully.

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Malkin

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  5/21/2017

If it's a whole bunch of different COS files causing problems, then it's most likely a problem with VirtualStore.

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Lurhstaap

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  5/21/2017

Malkin, you may be correct, but those instructions don't help me fix it. I'm on Windows 10 and no 'appdata' folder or VirtualStore anything seems to exist - at least, not that it'll allow me access to. I'll just have to try KT's suggestions and hope they work. I mean, I can LIVE with the current state of affairs, but... yeah. Having to open the entire Shee Starship when I just need the Capillata is very annoying lol

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Wingheart

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  5/22/2017  1

Turn on viewing hidden files, if you can-that might be helpful.
 
Pilla
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  5/22/2017

Have you copied the bootstrap from C3 to DS?

Maybe some C3 cosfiles sneaked into the DS bootstrap.


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Lurhstaap

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  5/22/2017

@Pilla: Nope. This has been a problem from the moment of installation, when I bought Exodus for the first time. No idea why.

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Geat_Masta

Geat_Masta



  5/22/2017

So does your "010 docking station" folder have "balloon bug.cos" in it or not? It just tries to load everything in that folder.

When you reinstalled did you delete everything in that folder first?

 
Lurhstaap

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  5/22/2017

I didn't think so, but I just double-checked and look at that, there IS a copy in there. I'd looked before but must not have looked carefully.

No, I didn't put it there, and like I said before, this has been an issue from the VERY FIRST install of this game on this machine. So I have NO IDEA how this happened. But I'm gonna just delete all the C3 .cos files I find in here and hope that's all the problem is. XD

EDIT: Sigh... No, this is a more complex problem... I deleted all the C3 scripts, but it kept complaining - albeit less than before. Its complaints now have to do with stuff that IS in DS, like the robot toy.cos and stuff that doesn't even HAVE a spawn location, like zz_critical hit.cos.

EDIT II:

OK, now it's gotten weirder. It's as if there's no 'world template' for an undocked world at all and that's what the real problem is. If I push through the errors now, the ones that all pertain to stuff that's properly in DS, the game no longer crashes and dies at the end of loading. Instead, it opens, as if it's going to open the world...but there is no world. There's the menus, the GUI is all there, but the WORLD is not.



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Lurhstaap

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  5/22/2017

Soooo I fixed it by deleting .cos files until it stopped complaining. BEST SOLUTION. -.-; Nevertheless, it's now running an undocked world and nothing seems to be broken. And none of them were essential .cos files, mostly add-ons for C3 like generalist stickleback. If those turn out to not be in the C3 folder I'll just have to reinstall them. I have no idea how that stuff got in there to begin with, since, again, I've had this problem since Day One of owning the program, before I installed any upgrades. But it's working now, so yay. XD

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Geat_Masta

Geat_Masta



  5/22/2017

it didn't fail to load

what happened is that the script that moves you to the norn meso is the DS login popup thing, which was removed in exedous, so without the C3 scripts, it just left you at the room that it loaded for the GUI.

So just use the caos command line to manually move the camera to the norn meso
cmra 281 8736 0

zz_critical hit doesn't exist in DS. And everything in C3/DS has to have a location, that's just how it's programmed. Stuff like that is just invisible.

 
Geat_Masta

Geat_Masta



  5/22/2017  1

List of all files in "010 Docking Station":

agent injector.cos
arch.cos
autorecovery.cos
babel_connection_information.cos
babel_fast_info.cos
bramboo.cos
C3_airlock_scripts.cos
C3_creator.cos
C3_grendel_rainmaker.cos
c3_incubator_recreator.cos
capillata umbilical.cos
carrot pod.cos
chat - chat module.cos
chat - chat request indicator.cos
chat - chat scripts.cos
chat - in chat invitation manager.cos
chat - the interpreters.cos
commedia.cos
comms camera screens.cos
comms camera units.cos
comms screen.cos
contact book.cos
contact buttons.cos
containment chamber.cos
creature care kit scripts.cos
creature_warning.cos
dev tool.cos
doors.cos
DS agent help.cos
DS autosave.cos
DS bacteria.cos
DS Blueprint Agent Export As Pray File.cos
DS blueprint agent scripts.cos
DS CAOS command line.cos
DS connecting agent pointer change.cos
DS creatureBreeding.cos
DS creatureBubbles.cos
DS creatureDecisions.cos
DS creatureDoneTo.cos
DS creature history.cos
DS creatureInvoluntary.cos
DS creatureObjectVariables.cos
DS creaturesAffectingHand.cos
DS creatureToCreature.cos
DS death.cos
DS disable debug keys.cos
DS Frame rater.cos
!DS_game variables.cos
ds gui - creaturemenu.cos
ds gui - inventory.cos
ds gui - options.cos
ds gui - topleft.cos
DS HoldingHandsControlScripts.cos
DS Home smell emitters.cos
DS keyboard handler.cos
DS life event factory - PHOTOGRAPHS THE DEAD.cos
DS magic profiler.cos
DS norn indicator.cos
DS object of attention indicator.cos
DS pointer activate stimming norns.cos
DS pointer.cos
DS Pointer scripts.cos
DS scroll settings.cos
DS speech bubble factory.cos
DS textentry.cos
DS welcome screen.cos
DS wolf control.cos
empathic vendor.cos
explodonut.cos
heatpan incubator.cos
holistic learning machine.cos
hoverdoc.cos
immigrant checker.cos
justanut pod.cos
keycode displayer.cos
!kill duplicate Creatures 3 agents.cos
lemon pod.cos
lift ca linkers.cos
lift_cutaway.cos
!map.cos
!meso environment.cos
message centre.cos
mini empathic vendor.cos
musicola.cos
nav lift.cos
new_ds_fav_places.cos
new keyboard handler.cos
NEW portal dispensor.cos
NEW portals.cos
Norn Egg layer.cos
portable teleporter.cos
power to the shee starship.cos
random user contact.cos
reminder_to_purchase.cos
robot toy.cos
snotrock.cos
stinger pod.cos
system notification.cos
tooltips.cos
training dummy.cos
trapper.cos
tuba.cos
warning icons.cos
waterspouts.cos
workshop liftmask.cos
workshop screen.cos
!world_tints.cos
z_DS agent smells.cos
z_DS creaturesAffectingAnimals.cos
zz mesa light and heat.cos
zzz_click_to_go_online.cos
zzz_gamestart_login.cos
zzzy_CheckCreatureDropScript.cos
zzzz_CreatureHasBeenDropped.cos

 
Lurhstaap

Lurhstaap


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  5/22/2017

Interesting! It's already begun behaving properly, but thank you for that!

Incidentally, Critical Hit is an add-on I downloaded. It makes it possible for extremely angry creatures to land an especially powerful blow that knocks their enemy backwards. It's pretty cool.


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