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Malkin

Malkin
Australia  
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  2/3/2017  1

2017 Breed SeriesArnout has recently released a series of genetic breeds based on the Creatures Full of Fixes version 1.1 by evolnemesis, the 2017 Creatures!

The amount of hunger the 2017 Creatures gain is determined by the amounts of nutrients in their bodies. In the half-life gene, each of these 3 chemicals decay naturally. The 2017 Creatures have a different way to measure muscle activity and can store muscle tissue. Vanilla Creatures had a tendency to eat a lot of food and store a lot of adipose tissue. The 2017 Creatures aren't as likely to prefer food as their predecessors.


DOWNLOAD THEM HERE:
2017 ChiChi Norns
2017 Bengal, Bruin, Civet, and Magma Norns
2017 Astro, Bondi, Fallow, Hardman, Harlequin, Siamese, Toxic, Treehugger and Zebra Norns
2017 Jungle Grendels and Desert Ettins



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BaffleBlend

BaffleBlend
United States  


  2/3/2017

Already snagged them. Going to watch carefully how they stack up alongside their predecessors.
 
bjw

bjw
United States  


  2/4/2017  1

Just curious, does downloading these mean you have to overwrite the current versions you own of these breeds, or is there a way to have both?
 
BlueLeafeon

BlueLeafeon



  2/4/2017

I tried a few wolfling runs with these, and generally found that the Norns would act as if they were full even when they were dying of a lack of a certain type of nutrition. I would blame mutation on that, except it seemed to be a pretty common thing with several different strains of Norns. (I had about 3-4 different groups of Norns in different metarooms)


 
Malkin

Malkin
Australia  
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  2/4/2017

bjw wrote:
Just curious, does downloading these mean you have to overwrite the current versions you own of these breeds, or is there a way to have both?



There are egg agents for Muco and optional replacement genetics included.


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Arnout

Arnout
Netherlands  


  2/5/2017

Hey all! So far I'm very happy with how these turned out, and I recommend them to you all.

I'm rolling out an update to improve play experiences with these overall. Download it here. Includes an update for the original genomes (New original genomes), as well as a patch for people that are using the 2017 egg agents. (New 2017 genomes) Put them in your Creatures 3 and Docking Station Genetics folders. There's also Starter Parents in the files with the latest changes.

Details:
- To promote crossbreeding, all breeds have a progesterone half life of 56 now. This should likely prevent all egg laying trouble in later generations with Treehugger crossbreeds, unless some of the genes mutate. This also means that after laying an egg, females require some more time until they can get pregnant again.
- Some generation 1 Norns (mainly male Treehuggers and Bondis) refused to breed due to getting too crowded from approaching other Norns, so approaching other Norns no longer increases crowdedness perceptibly for all genomes.
- I felt that the ChiChi breeds had unfair advantages over the classic Creatures 3 Norn Breeds, so I made the Bengal, Bruin and Civet immune to 2 lethal toxins. They now require less food as well.
- Bondi Norns are immune to toxins that impede their breathing system, Hardman Norns are immune to toxins that reduce their energy and Treehugger Norns are immune to toxins that attack their digestive systems. Imo, bacteria in Creatures 3 stand-alone are ridiculously overpowered, and this helps your populations fight the infections. If this change stops any of you from downloading them though, I'd happily release a pack without the infection changes.

BlueLeafeon wrote:
I tried a few wolfling runs with these, and generally found that the Norns would act as if they were full even when they were dying of a lack of a certain type of nutrition. I would blame mutation on that, except it seemed to be a pretty common thing with several different strains of Norns. (I had about 3-4 different groups of Norns in different metarooms)



That could very well be the result of a mutation. Were you playing with bacteria/toxins on by any chance? Hunger is emitted in the Floating Loci organ. It's a feeble organ and it's often one of the first organs that's destroyed when a Creature gets infected with antigen 6 and 5 too often. Other phenomena that you'll see is that they can't sleep anymore or that they stop feeling crowdedness/loneliness.

 
BlueLeafeon

BlueLeafeon



  2/5/2017

That could very well be the result of a mutation. Were you playing with bacteria/toxins on by any chance? Hunger is emitted in the Floating Loci organ. It's a feeble organ and it's often one of the first organs that's destroyed when a Creature gets infected with antigen 6 and 5 too often. Other phenomena that you'll see is that they can't sleep anymore or that they stop feeling crowdedness/loneliness.


I generally use CAOS codes to completely kill every instance of bacteria in the game, since otherwise the bacteria commit genocide. (I then use an agent to restore them to the room where my toxic norns live, but that aside...)

I would definitely agree that it was a mutation, but it seemed to happen almost consistently. If I knew what genes to edit, I'd set them to 0 mutation rate.

 
Arnout

Arnout
Netherlands  


  2/5/2017

Mutations can do nasty things to Norns, so I wouldn't be surprised if they could impede hunger somehow. Still I think it's rather weird that it's so common in your worlds, as I've only seen it with sick Creatures myself!

There's a total of 7 genes that can directly influence your Creatures' hunger gain. 6 of these are located in the Floating Loci organ, and one is in the CNS: Drive Lobe Support organ. Removing the mutation rate from these genes by setting the value to 0 or unticking "Mut." could certainly make these occurrences less common, if you'd prefer fixing it that way. :)
- The first gene in the first organ (Drive Lobe Support) is the Half-Lives gene. There's only one Half-Lives gene in each genome so you cannot miss it.
- In the Floating Loci there are 3 hunger emitters, respectively one for each hunger type. However, these are unable to mutate naturally so no action is required here.
- Each of the 3 hunger emitters are bound to a receptor gene in that same organ. Muscle Tissue, [loc 8] Glycogen [loc 25] and Adipose Tissue [loc 26]. These last 3 genes are in fact able to mutate so turning the mutations off in these could result in more efficient wolfing runs.

 
BlueLeafeon

BlueLeafeon



  2/5/2017  1

Okay, thank you so much! This should solve my problems.
 
Arnout

Arnout
Netherlands  


  2/6/2017

I'm glad that I could be of your help. Let me know how they turn out.
 
BlueLeafeon

BlueLeafeon



  2/10/2017

It definitely seems to help prevent things from going horribly wrong later on.

What I'm noticing, though, is that if the Norn is full of one type of hunger, they generally can't be bothered to eat another type even if they're dying of malnutrition. This makes no sense since the three types of hunger are handled separately, anyway. So even though the Norn is dying of a lack of protein, I can't get it to eat a fruit because it thinks it's full from eating those seeds/'food.'

Not that much of a big deal in wolfing runs, though, where the population is usually pretty large enough to support a few Norns dying of stupidity.

Can I ask if any changes were made to Magma Norns to make them stop being eternally cold? One reason I stopped raising them was because no matter what agents I use, no matter whether I put them in The Abyss or whatever, they're always complaining of cold. I know TWB Magma Norns exist, but I don't think they've been updated fully...

 
Thiefy

Thiefy



  2/12/2017

My 2017 Astro norns look like Fallow norns for some reason? (I swear I get the strangest issues....)
 


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