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sam999

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  3/29/2011

While doing a wolfing run with some of Grendel Man's breeds, I thought something:

C3DS has too few sprited grendel breeds.

Only the jungle, banshee, tiger and yarran are really good, and you have to pay for three of them. The idea here would fix that, a basic grendel for DS. It would be a cooperative project, with anyone who wanted to help pitching in, and a basic goal of making a new-sprited standerd grendel breed, maybe with a few agents... for free download.

It would basically be like this in looks:

It could be nice in grendel breeding, or as a spriteset for genetic breeds. Useful anyway.

So, does anyone think it's a good idea, or want to join the project?

EDIT: ADDED IDEA PICTURE

 
Ghosthande
Prodigal Sock

Ghosthande
United States  

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  3/29/2011

I agree, I would love to see more good, quality (free!) Grendel breeds, and 3rd party breed packs FTW.


 
Layla

Layla
United States  


  3/29/2011

So, do you mean we look at the sprite file and try to draw the individual sprites by hand?

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sam999

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  3/29/2011

No, I meant a normal 3D modeled set of sprites like any other breed. Bad wording. Sorry.

Thanks Ghosthande. Nice to see someone else likes my idea.

 
Ghosthande
Prodigal Sock

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  3/29/2011

I'd be curious to know what kind of Grendel breeds people would be most interested in seeing.


 
Layla

Layla
United States  


  3/29/2011

That sounds fun!

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Gobbo

Gobbo
Netherlands  


  3/30/2011

Great idea. I presume it'll be made according to the same philosophy as the Chi chi norns?

They'll need a pack of new sounds to work in ds, I believe. I bet everybody with a microphone is willing to take than one on, though.

 
sam999

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  3/30/2011

Yes, sort of the same "basic creature breed" idea as the chichi norns, but not purple. Dark green like grendels should be. As for sounds, don't we already have a free download for that somewhere?
 
Gobbo

Gobbo
Netherlands  


  3/30/2011

Yes, a generic, stereotypical even, breed on the inside. But the chichi are not basic on the outside, with their groovy textures and colour.

I'm not saying the breed needs to be purple, but the capilata is a strange ship compared to the ark, which I think should be reflected on the creatures.

Besides, if you'd make them dark green they might lack difference to the jungle grendels.

 
sam999

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  3/30/2011

The point is, they wouldn't just be in the capilata. There are loads of rooms people have made. Also, banshee grendels are dark green, and you'll never mistake one for a jungle grendel. Basically, this breed should fit right in with any of CL's grendel breeds from any game. As for acting like a normal grendel on the inside, that's right.

For sprites, maybe something like this, a piece of idea-art from CL's idea for grendels.

Or maybe this.


And for something different: this.

 
Ghosthande
Prodigal Sock

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  3/30/2011

I think part of the reason the Chichis are so strikingly colored is because they also function as an add-on for C3 for those people who had both games: it would have been silly if DS came with another totally plain breed because C3 already had one, and how many plain "vanilla" breeds does a person need?

That's why I don't think a totally plain Grendel breed would be the best idea, because most of the good breeds we have now are fairly plain as it is. A "poor man's grendel" with the stereotypical plain bulbous body would be great for people who only have DS, but it would be nice to have something that will appeal to everybody, not just the folks who can't afford C3/Ostrova.

On that train of thought, I think maybe it would be better to keep the base green color but add some subtle striping or spots or something so they aren't "just another staple Grendel". Even the Chichis, Civets and Bengals, which are all starter breeds, have some nice colors and patterning to make them interesting.



 
sam999

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  3/30/2011

Maybe different eyes? Most grendels we see have pure-red eyes. Maybe something more humanlike, or catlike?
 
ylukyun
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ylukyun

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  3/30/2011

They don't have to be green-green. The C1 male Grendel has a slightly turquoise hue and some tan patches. I like the idea of a bluish-green grendel with stripes and amber eyes. They could have russet hair like the C2 females, and maybe some spikes?
 
sam999

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  3/31/2011

Or gray-green, or maybe green-gold....

Spikes and amber eyes are great ideas.

 
Gobbo

Gobbo
Netherlands  


  3/31/2011

Chichi is synonimous to flamboyant.

Weird dinosaurs might also be a good inspiration source.

 
Ghosthande
Prodigal Sock

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  3/31/2011

A Cryolophosaurus Grendel would be interesting, given that crest (since Grendels always have some kind of weird hairdo). Or just a good, old-fashioned T. rex Grendel. The first Grendel head model I made (now sadly lost) was a bit rex-ish, and it looked kind of cool.

Hey, there was a Compy Norn breed in the works at one time...



 
sam999

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  3/31/2011

No, more of a basic lumpy grendel maybe with spots, stripes, weird eyes, not some totally weird grendel. More like this maybe:
http://uzag.deviantart.com/art/Fanart-Grendels-26161828?q=boost%3Apopular%20creatures%20grendel&qo=21

Or eyes, hair and teeth like this:
http://uzag.deviantart.com/art/Obnoxious-mess-of-pixels-160955290?q=boost%3Apopular%20creatures%20grendel&qo=39

Even staying well within grendelish stereotypes we can have a kinds of weird stuff. And anyway, grendels like dinos? With feathers? That would just be weird.

Also, Compy norns were real? I thought they where a joke? They where a real idea?

Still, it's sorta pointless to argue. I don't have the skills to make a breed in any case, and I suspect nobody here will have the time.

 
Layla

Layla
United States  


  3/31/2011

OK, but maybe we can take out the hunched back? :P I always replace the body part with a norn or ettin body on a grendel, 'cause I just don't like seeing them hunched over like that... Also, I was thinking for the eyes amber with horizontal slits. Kinda' like the C2 frog norns! Anyway, I stink at coding, but I'm always full of ideas! :)

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Ghosthande
Prodigal Sock

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  3/31/2011

So you're just going to discout your entire thread? :\ The fact that you haven't found someone with the time right this instant doesn't mean the idea should be given up.

No one said anything about feathers, although somehow I get the feeling you strongly dislike the idea of a dino-grendel anyways. :P

The Compy norns were real, there was even a (very unstable) beta floating around for a while. I'm not sure if they were scrapped or just put on hold, apparently the creator was having a lot of trouble with the ATTs and/or decided to redo the sprites. Which is too bad. I always kinda wanted a Velociraptor Norn or something.



 
sam999

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  3/31/2011

"eyes amber with horizontal slits"

Good idea, that would look awesome.

"So you're just going to discout your entire thread?"

Perhaps that would be too cynical even by my ways. So, no, the thread is still on.


"No one said anything about feathers"

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mathieus/how-t-rex-really-looked-like-8q4

"Compy norn stuff"

Where's the beta download! Awesome!

Also, I uploaded some photo-shopped ideas to the fanart section here on Ccaves. They haven't been approved yet though.

 
Ghosthande
Prodigal Sock

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  3/31/2011

That's untrue, Sam. They've found tyrannosaur skin impressions, and they were scaly. Some of the smaller compy-like dinosaurs were fuzzy, but the fossil skin impressions from the big ones (ie. Carnotaurus, the tyrannosaur) always show scales, not feathers. None of the scientists I know of believe T. rex looked like that, it sounds like a bad misquote.

I don't know if the Compy Norns are available anywhere anymore. It was a long time ago, and Google comes up with nothing. :(



 
Gobbo

Gobbo
Netherlands  


  4/1/2011  1

The jungle grendel had some spikes, the banshee grendel had almost no spikes but a warty back. Maybe take the other end of the spectrum and go for something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thorny_Devil_crop.jpg

Maybe making it green/brown instead of red/brown and a liberty spike mohawk to fit with the thorny skin.

EDIT:
Maybe something like this:

 
sam999

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  4/1/2011

Sorry about the T-rex stuff. I only heard dinos had feathers, so I googled "t-rex-bird" when I heard. Something unreliable on the internet? Oh-no!

As for your idea Gobbo, just give it some ears and a more grendelish hair style at it would be great! Not really what I had in mind but I'd love it ingame. Maybe without the chin-spikes, slightly paler brown and a thicker torso....

On an unrelated note, how do you change your username. I'm thinking of calling myself controlfreak999.

 
Ghosthande
Prodigal Sock

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  4/1/2011

I think if the spikes on the jaw were limited to the back (maybe keep the three on the left) instead of encompassing the entire chin they would look just fine.

I really like the color, the eyes, and the knobs on the body. As far as the head spikes, I think downplaying the jaw spikes would balance the look out perfectly.

I also like that the body isn't as hunched, either. It does make him look more lizardy.



 
Gobbo

Gobbo
Netherlands  


  4/1/2011

About the feathered t-rex, I just saw an ad for a discovery documentary about exactly that.

That little grendel mockup is just a sketch to show what I meant. I will not be able to draw the same thing over and over again for 150 sprite files.

I'd love it if people like moe or you, Ghosthande, would base a 3d model on it and I'd even help with the textures if you'd need me to.

 
sam999

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  4/1/2011

What would the tail be like? With colors like that, you'd expect it to like deserts, would it like ettin-home smell maybe? Also, I whipped up a new picture, and unloaded it. Now both are waiting for approve.
 
Ghosthande
Prodigal Sock

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  4/1/2011

I already have a decent Grendel head (and a few other body parts) that could be fixed up for it. No guarantees about if/when I could render the actual sprites, but it would be a great starting point. If you like I'll upload the template for the texture, it's fairly straightforward.

Any idea what this breed would be called? Thorn Grendel or something?



 
sam999

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  4/1/2011

Thorny Grendel?

Thorny Desert Grendel maybe?

 
Ghosthande
Prodigal Sock

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United States  

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  4/1/2011

How about 'Dustdevil Grendel'?


 
Gobbo

Gobbo
Netherlands  


  4/1/2011

That's a good name. It shows clearly what inspired it. I'll work on a female concept in the meantime.
 
sam999

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  4/2/2011

What's the tail going to be like? I just keep remembering the picture of a lizard you posted, will it also be covered in spikes as well, non-existent, or tipped in a bony club?

Also, dust-devil grendel is a great name.

 
Ghosthande
Prodigal Sock

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United States  

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  4/2/2011

It would be interesting if they got more prominent toward the tip, kind of like a rattlesnake rattle.


 
sam999

sam999


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  4/2/2011

Why not just go all the way, and give them rattlesnake rattles?

Also, do you think we should compile some ideas for how they should act?

 
Ghosthande
Prodigal Sock

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United States  

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  4/2/2011

Giving them a few unusual features could be interesting, as long as they aren't too outlandish: they can't be heat-needy like the Magma Norns, for instance, since this is still supposed to be an alternative for people who only have DS. Maybe they could be more playful or something.


 
Gobbo

Gobbo
Netherlands  


  4/2/2011

Even if you would have the desert, there just isn't enough space for them to live.

It would seem a good idea to make them act like the lizards, but without need for heat.

A healthy appetite for bugs and pests. The urge to go to a light area when they're sleepy, and to go to a dark one when hungry or pregnant.

A thorny tail, thick but short like the lizards.

 
sam999

sam999


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  4/2/2011

They already are quite a bit different from a basic poor-man's-grendel which is what I intended, not what I had in mind at all but I'd still love them ingame. Also, I still think a long tail to balance out the head would look better then a short one.
 

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