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 NewNovaScotia    |
I've always been scared of these nasty little green monsters - I used to think that they would kill my Norns if they were ever unlucky enough as to even step into their line of red-eyed sight. (When I was younger, I used to call them Gremlins, because of their monstrous nature and their general tendency to cause trouble. ![[nlaugh]](/images/smilies/emot_laugh.gif "[nlaugh]") )In C1, I usually locked the Grendel (there was only ever one at a time) in a cage to stop him wandering too far away from his treetop home and harm my Norns. If I was feeling particularly sadistic, I would try to lure him down to the den beside where the submarine lands (western side) and get him to eat the Death Cap Mushroom, where he would soon expire. In C2, I mostly experimented on them by crossing them with Ettins to create Grettins (or Ettindels). Nowadays, however, I usually just leave them alone, although I have tried to get them to eat the poisonous red spiky berries found underground near the coconut island. Since there aren't any Grendels in Creatures Village, this doesn't apply. I haven't played C3 or DS, so I don't know if there are even Grendels in those games. So how do you deal with the Grendels in your Creatures games? Married to Canada since 2010. 🇨🇦 |
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 Peppery One Papriko |
Sometimes I splice them into the norns for a bit more variety, but in case of doubt I just leave the eggs in some pool of water. Ettins on the other hand get airlocked or piranha'd and then I drop the eggs in some water. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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 toxic biohazard Freylaverse Moderator |
I love my Grendels!! I keep them around. If my norns aren't tough enough to handle 'em, they don't live to reproduce. I suppose that's a bit cruel, but it's the way of things, isn't it? Natural selection to weed out the weak. The other 50% of the time, though, I don't even keep norns, and I just raise my wonderful little lizards. Science is a beautiful gift to humanity; We should not distort it. |
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 Sanely Insane RisenAngel Manager |
If my username is any indication, I'm also a massive fan of grendels. In fact, I'm usually raising grendels instead of norns most of the time. For the worlds where the focus isn't on grendels, I usually inject a COB or agent to shut off the Grendel (and Ettin) Mother. For C1 in particular, I usually inject Grendel Friendly and let the grendels do as they please. C1 grendels are actually pretty friendly once they can freely interact with other creatures as opposed to being forced to hit them. There are grendels in C3/DS, and unlike in C1/C2 they're actually rather dangerous unless you can train them to not hit norns. That being said, there's plenty of friendly C3/DS grendel genomes out there, including some that replace the default genome. If you want to give C3/DS grendels a chance, give one of those a try. Otherwise, there's an official agent that lets you shut off the Grendel Mother. Risen Angel's Creatures Blog |
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 Lurhstaap |
I usually just leave them to their own devices. I like grendels and enjoy raising them. I also favor relatively tough, combative Norns. So it works out. Conclude with killer catchphrase. (Lurhstaap) "This is not knowledge - this is information!" New Model Army, "Courage" |
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 Linda |
In C1 I usually inject the Grendel Friendly COb and just have the grendel hang out with my norns as much as he wants, it's kinda cute. I don't play C3 as much, but if I do, I drop the eggs in some water to make sure they don't hatch. But I actually like to raise some grendels next to my norn populations in DS, I either choose a peaceful genome or make sure they are seperated from my norns. ^u^ |
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 PastelBat |
u luv and care for them. u r their birth mother. ![[nsleepy]](/images/smilies/emot_sleepy.gif "[nsleepy]") i'm napping leave me alone lol |
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 Venithil |
I don't really have C1 Grendel experience. I run my world on Darwinia snd Grendels don't naturally hatch there. C2 Grendels, I sometimes splice, often try to get out of the volcano so they stop poisoning themselves, and more often than not eventuslly substitute with a breeding Grendel variant. I then raise the first Grendels much like how I would Norns. C3/DS Grendels I enjoy raising. There is a lot of less violent and only mildly violent breeds out there, often with nice sprites or curious genetic traits. I never had a Grendel-only world but all my worlds include Grendels in some shape or form. I document some of my playthroughs in a blog-style fashion with comments enabled. I may just change them into a blog, but if you're interested in reading such things beforehand, feel free! |
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 Arnout |
In my current Creatures 3 stand-alone world, keeping them happy seems like an effective way to stop them from hunting down my Norns. By giving the (standard) Grendel some resources in the Jungle, like the Hardman-pack plants, they seem to pretty much mind their own business. Norns that meet them in the dark corridors of the ark are not so lucky however. Banshee Grendels take a lot longer to reach their hunting age; I haven't run into a lot of trouble with them as they often get sick before they reach maturity. If Grendels get near my Norns anyway, I use a teleporter to hurl them away; although this tactic requires constant attention. |
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 VerbalAbuse |
I usually use Grendels for medical and psychological tests, although not all of them are nice. I also recently started putting up selective force fields geared to block Grendels at both doors of the Jungle Terrarium since I tend to focus on Hardman Norns for breeding - this way, they can go out and crossbreed, and the other norns are safe from the Grendels, who I keep to give the Hardmen and their offspring an outlet. I used to bully the flib out of them before installing Hardman Norns, now I just let them take care of the Grendel Menace. |
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 Lollipop Lord C-Rex |
I set up two sludge guns in C3/DS to get rid of any Grendels that enter the Norn Terrarrium. However, I personally find ettins to be more of a problem. Maybe I could gengineer the grendels to hunt down ettins instead of norns? |
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Venithil |
Isn't there a breed to do that already? I may be thinking about some of those psychopatically aggressive Norns though... Also, isn't it possible for the natural grendel egg layer to lay any Grendel egg if it's named properly? I document some of my playthroughs in a blog-style fashion with comments enabled. I may just change them into a blog, but if you're interested in reading such things beforehand, feel free! |
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 Uzag |
I rise them! Sometimes I try to keep ettins or norns but naaah, it just doesn't feel right. In C3, I early on wanted to rise grendels as my main speices. Aside from looking bad-ass to me, they facinated me a lot; they where this large, dangerous and somewhat illusive speices. I figured out that I could get females from splicing males but soon learned that the females would die if getting pregnant twice :/ But then Internet & downloads became a thing and I can now breed grendels!!!1 (Funnily, the way some people use grendels as a hazard to naturally select tougher norns, I tend to add in some hardmans for my grendels deal with) EDIT: It shouldn't be too hard to make grendels go after ettins, but to my experience, they're pretty darn good at hunting down ettins too by default. They won't "search" for ettins in the same way but if an ettin gets too close, it will get beaten up. I mainly use CFF C3/banshee genetics. Oh, and a fun thing with the grendels tendency to "steal" eggs is that if there's only grendel eggs around, it instead turns into a adoreble parenting behavior  |
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Venithil |
Yeah, my biggest non-Norn raising experiences come from Creatures 3. Possibly because Norns don't seem quite as cute as in previous games (especially with their affinity for Nornicide), and the other species received more unique quirks and attention. Although i did breed some Grendels and Ettins in Creatures 2, the issue with that being my Creatures 2 gets more buggy if I overdo it with the amount of breeds with unique sprites I'm using. And because I use less aggressive Grendel breeds, Grendels get killed by Norns more than the other way around. Especially since I did have a couple Beowulfs in some worlds in the past. They're no joke. I document some of my playthroughs in a blog-style fashion with comments enabled. I may just change them into a blog, but if you're interested in reading such things beforehand, feel free! |
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 Patient Pirate ylukyun Manager |
I splice them with Norns and Ettins or breed them. The default C3/DS Grendels are very violent by nature and have a lot of other genetic flaws. Most of the time I use less agressive breeds or make my own genomes. Violent Grendels can be an interesting addition to a Norn run, but there's a pretty big chance of them wiping out the Norn population altogether so I don't add them very often. In C2, the default Grendel breed is sterile and even worse than the Norn one, so getting a third party breed is a must, preferably one with Canny lobes. You also need a COB to allow them to breed, like the one that comes with the Bonies. C1 needs a lot of alterations to be "Grendel friendly" - the easiest thing to do is just to use Terra Nornia and import some breedable Grendels, which aren't really that different from Norns. Sadly they can't be spliced with Norns - even if you manage to cross the genomes, the way sprites are set up means no funky looking hybrids. Grorn mixes are the closest you can get. Venithil wrote: Could you be thinking of Punisher and Ripper? Venithil wrote: Yes (and if the egg layer is unpatched, it will also lay Norn and Ettin eggs if the filename starts with g). |
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Peppery One Papriko |
Lol, almost forgot those two. One of my earliest genetic experiments. In hindsight they are not exactly elegantly made and actually pretty stupid actually. Also, they are from the time when my english was still atrocious!  Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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Venithil |
Out of curiosity, does it seem like C3/DS Grendel breeds (including fan breeds) have slightly weaker immune systems than Norns? Plague Ettins are part of the 'danger system' in one of my worlds and whenever they happen to finally infect someone, Grendels end up infected more often than my Norns and there's more Grendel casualties. Then again a lot of my Norns have Wood and Tilynn norn roots, and those have very strong immune systems and are tough in general. I document some of my playthroughs in a blog-style fashion with comments enabled. I may just change them into a blog, but if you're interested in reading such things beforehand, feel free! |
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Peppery One Papriko |
Actually grendels have moderately good immune systems, as they live in the bacteria infested jungle. Lets play plants! Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... Photosynthesis... |
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Venithil |
That does make sense. I guess it is the combination of them being unlucky and my Norns having a particularly strong immune system due to heritage. A Norn with more strong Sprite genetics couldn't fight off the illness so it is probably just that Tilynn and Wood are so tough. (Tilynns are borderline godlike, so it is not surprising.). I document some of my playthroughs in a blog-style fashion with comments enabled. I may just change them into a blog, but if you're interested in reading such things beforehand, feel free! |
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Sanely Insane RisenAngel Manager |
The default grendel genome lacks a lot of antigen reactions/receptors (I can't remember exactly which antigens they aren't susceptible to, but they're only sensitive to three). In theory, this makes them immune to those antigens. In practice, what happens is that grendels can't fight off bacteria with those antigens since they can't produce the corresponding antibodies. So the bacteria stay attached to the grendels forever, and if they mutate to produce a particularly nasty toxin then the grendel's doomed. This is just the default grendels, however. Banshee Grendels have all the antigen reactions/receptors, and chances are a lot of fanmade breeds will have them all as well. Risen Angel's Creatures Blog |
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Venithil |
Yeah, the inactive metabolism treatment was used back when Boney Grendels were made for C2 to help the 'spreads diseases' image, not surprising they reused it especially as inactive genes are the source of most such immunities. But I use mostly fan breeds so I was asking more for experience with those. I need to get into C3 genetics more. I understand the basics and can use LiveGMS to check for odd mutations in a creaturr but I haven't studied enough to understand the basics of some breeds' quirks and behaviors, especially compared to Creatures 2. I document some of my playthroughs in a blog-style fashion with comments enabled. I may just change them into a blog, but if you're interested in reading such things beforehand, feel free! |
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VerbalAbuse |
Fun fact: Jungle Grendels (C3's default) are immune to Muscle Toxin (the injection takes once, is immediately flushed, and then never again in that Grendel), and all antigens but 6 and 7. Medical testing results, folks! |
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 Gulliver |
C1 (from memory, fifteen year ago at least) - I turned them off. There was cob for that. C2 I let them potter about until they died of organ failure from constant exposure to radiation from the volcano. Ettins who turned right upon their birth suffered the same fate. C3/DS I actually encourage them to thrive and hatch new ones to keep a breeding stock when I need to. I tend to start them off in the DS egg room (the one you start in) while my norns party it up in the Norn Terranium and the Desert (which has been "terraformed" with plants for food). They add a bit of randomness to the mix, like "helpfully" taking eggs off to the jungle if they're born somewhere they don't approve of. |
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 Brewer of Tales NornBreeder |
I never played a lot of C1, but the Grendels didn't do much for me. I will never forget my first C2 grendel sighting, I was excited to see how vicious they would be and was quickly disappointed that they didn't rip my norn to shreds. They mostly mull around my runs now and sometimes I offer one the good life by moving it into the norn cave. C3 grendel posed a real threat to my norns and I enjoyed building machines to hold off the hordes of scaly green swamp dwellers. In DS I love the banshee Grendels and use them in parallel runs where both norns and Grendels can share the hub but neither can enter the other's home area. This leads to some degree of chaos for both species. |
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